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SouthAfrica WCUP ?

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England supporters,here they come and many many more nations punters I wonder?

I am suprised the FA is (or is it ),giving out leaflets on the possibilities and the knowledge that alot of supporters away from home,no-body to know ,may fancy a bit of black loving! Especially as maybe drunk and more up for a punt and i am sure there will be many desperate street girls about touting for sex.

Are they warning supporters that SA is one of the most aids/HIV ridden country's in the world and alot of the girls on the game there MAY have hiv or other std's?? I am just curious as they could bring back with them the plague and go punting overhere and get others affected! Ok,you could say that happens everyday with punters who fly around the world,hire women around the world and spread again when back in UK? Though more often than not when they got that kind of lifestyle they hire escorts not poor black girls from townships...

Just Curious really wether they will be doshing out info around the Stadiums and on the parting planes where all the drunks will be hanging before going to the match and to celebrate after a win have abit of pleasure as there will be tons on offer curbing the streets for supporters to give up the cash...

I know in 2006 in Germany they did not have to worry too much as the punters hiding in the supporter crowds woukd just dissapear off upto Hamburg as it was one of the venue's and most would do it there...

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The plague????????????

Oh - by the way - some South Africans are white, you know...

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The plague????????????

Oh - by the way - some South Africans are white, you know...

By that i meant that if drunk have unprotected sex with a streetgirl from a township where it is rife with sexual health problems,maybe catch something ,bring it home unware till signs begin and if he is not just a one off punter as on holiday and fancied a township woman,goes back to his punting routine could infect wg's here and then to other punters maybe through OWO? I have known that many punters who use streetgirls tend to want owo not interested in sexual intercourse due to those fcats stated...

Yes i also know whites are there and also probably some of them on the game but probably lesslikely to live in the townships andmore likly if on game to be escorts not streetgirls..

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I can't honestly say I know anything about the SA sex trade - but assuming streetgirls work that way through desperation, I can't see any reason why that would be dictated by skin colour.

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I can't honestly say I know anything about the SA sex trade - but assuming streetgirls work that way through desperation, I can't see any reason why that would be dictated by skin colour.

Don't know what you are trying to get at her other than turning it into a colour thing or trying to turn it into rascism.Its blatently in your face that most of SA is Black people i would have thought,most street girls are going to be black and Africa and especially (SA) have the most sexual health problems in the world from what i have read! Its always on the news about SA and HIV etc. So why are you twisting this into some sort of rascist thing,i see what your doing! Tring to accuse the questionaire of it,well NO its a fact that country has got serious sexual health problems to do with poverty and arrogance and most of all on bad sexual health education .Also some tribes futher up the continent the women are always pregnant as they like to keep them plumped up and the old man always pisses off never to be seen again,they move onto the next oneas they have many wives in some of the cultures from what ihave seen on tv documentaries and read in books etc.

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Oh well, as long as it's not racist....

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I think if you had been to South Africa, you would see the problem first hand and understand.

For the vast majority, they live in a 9ft x 9ft wooden shed in a township. They have no job, no running water, no toilets etc.

Luxury is a corrugated tin roof. The majority have plastic supermarket bags for waterproofing the roof. People spend a lot of their time just gathering fire wood from very many miles around, carrying it back to their township shed on their head. A bicycle is luxury transport.

The chance to earn anything off the visiting football supporters is too good to miss.

Violent crime with guns is a regular occurrence. At night, you do not stop at red traffic lights for fear of being car-jacked. When you are car-jacked, they take you to a cashpoint, empty out your bank account to the maximum, and if you are lucky, they do not shoot you. They take your car and sell it for easy cash. White South Africans live in secure compounds with security guards, security fencing etc all around their homes, in some areas.

A distant relative of mine, a white farmer, was shot dead by criminals robbing his farm. They were armed with AK47's. Farmers leave the keys in their cars so they do not get shot if someone wants to steal their cars. If you want to get the police to help you, you have to go and get them, as they do not have petrol for their police cars.

Aids is rife throughout Africa, south of the Sahara. Life expectancy is less than 40.

Unless you have seen all this first hand, you cannot understand exactly what is happening down there.

This post is not meant to be racist, but the simple truth of the matter is that ethnic Europeans had jobs and money, Africans do not. Europeans created jobs and wealth for the Africans. Europeans, jobs, and wealth are diminishing.

I still have relatives down there. I get regular updates on security etc.

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WELL PUT! Though no mention of the topic to do with punters going there while the Wcup is on?

I am glad you explained the plain truth and i am sure you might get a bleeding heart " lefty ",trying to use of the same old rascist trick in a winge possibly commenting a bout poor old blacky.

As you said ,they got the country and now its going down hill! Just look at Zimbabwae,when Rhodesia the bread basket of Africa and a model country.Hand over the power and becomes shit hole! One person i knew who was in the army mentioned which some may consider a bit fascist said all they care about the blokes, is fucking and going from women to another and thats in answer to your reply why aids has spread like wild fire in that contient.As a Herr mann its all about da pussy! Rucca ting.

How could Claire possibly have suspected any element of racism in your comments? :)

This certainly isn't an allegation I'd aim at Zzzorro by the way.

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Zzzorro, you missed my point, which was more about terminology and attitudes displayed by the OP than about the substance of his comments. And, so far as I am concerned, the use of the phrase 'poor old blacky' exonerates me from any possibility of having misunderstood this gentleman's approach.

I shall now retire gracefully from this thread, having already stated that the subject matter is not within my remit.

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Having toured through the southern part of South Africa, and having driven through the middle of Losotho, a land locked small country in the middle of S.A. very high above sea level, and seen adverts everywhere proclaiming the risk of aids, I would certainly not consider punting in South Africa or any country south of the Sahara.

It was rumoured that aids has always existed in monkeys and that by either eating their flesh, or bestiality with them, the virus spread to humanity.

It was also rumoured that to tempt long distance lorry drivers to fill up with large amounts of expensive diesel, a local W.G. was offered to tempt the driver, and thereby long distance lorry drivers spread the virus all over southern Africa.

It seems the morals of northern Africans, predominantly Moslems, are different, hence the divide.

I agree other posters could be more diplomatic with their terminology.

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I can't honestly say I know anything about the SA sex trade - but assuming streetgirls work that way through desperation, I can't see any reason why that would be dictated by skin colour.

OK, having lived and worked there for long periods in the past 15 years I have some input:

The point about Township girls is valid, they live in abject poverty - poverty that someone in the UK would never encounter on the worst sink estates - and a lot are desperate to earn money in any way.

Street girls are always black as whites stand out like sore thumbs if even on foot, let alone standing on street corners and there are always a lot of black pros at every street entrance to the affluent areas which tend to be gated and have their own private security (This being a land where even Police Stations are guarded by private security firms!!

AIDs is prevalent and even "normal" large companies are allowing for up to 30% more staff to be employed as that is the rough percentage of staff that will be not working at any time due to AIDs related problems (Including caring for releatives with AIDs).

Condoms are still not at all popular in post-apartheid black communities as they were originally used by the apartheid government to try and stave off the massive increases in the black population.

There are still RSA Govt Ministers who will not admit a link between HIV and AIDs and the last President (Thabo Mbeke) was one such denier despite being highly educated. This could be on economic grounds as providing anti-virals would bakrupt RSA.

Now, the statement that I have deleted from the OP which has been quoted from WAS, in my opinion, totally racist and the poster has received pre-Mod for it. This sort of thing can be discussed without racism entering the discussion, despite it being about a sport which has the most racist fans of them all hidden within the ranks of the genuine supporters.

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Having toured through the southern part of South Africa, and having driven through the middle of Losotho, a land locked small country in the middle of S.A. very high above sea level, and seen adverts everywhere proclaiming the risk of aids, I would certainly not consider punting in South Africa or any country south of the Sahara.

It was rumoured that aids has always existed in monkeys and that by either eating their flesh, or bestiality with them, the virus spread to humanity.

It was also rumoured that to tempt long distance lorry drivers to fill up with large amounts of expensive diesel, a local W.G. was offered to tempt the driver, and thereby long distance lorry drivers spread the virus all over southern Africa.

It seems the morals of northern Africans, predominantly Moslems, are different, hence the divide.

I agree other posters could be more diplomatic with their terminology.

Yes, there are loads of old wives tales about the HGV drivers but the reality is easier to understand.

Basically when AIDs first arrived in SA, Miners in the diamond, gold etc mines were mainly South African black men who travelled extremely long distances to ply their trade and who thus lived away from home for up to a year at a time.

They had needs and local prostitutes supplied some of those.

Because of the "apartheid link to condoms" as mentioned above, the prostitutes could get more from those men if they did not use condoms.

Thus STDs and HIV spread like wildfire in those communities.

Once a year the miners would make the trek home and after a year away the second thing they would do after arriving was to put down their suitcase (The first being to shag the wife).

Thus the wives got it in the home communities and in a lot of cases passed it on to their children.

Sad but a lot more factual.

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I can't honestly say I know anything about the SA sex trade - but assuming streetgirls work that way through desperation, I can't see any reason why that would be dictated by skin colour.

I have watched, by sheer accident, a number of programmes to do with the sex industry in SA and the world cup, just so happens they come on around bedtime. It is quite horrifying how many interviewed have AIDS and their attitude towards condoms. I did watch the WAG programme where they went to brothels to try and educate them and their reactions were not good.

I think the BBC are trying to highlight the risks as there has been a number of shows on BBC3 about this.

It was a very, very, high proportion of girls that were infected, the trafficked stories were awful, so were where they work and the conditions they live in.

I have no first hand experience but so am only seeing what the media want us to see but it was not a pretty site! In actual fact, nor were the girls.

I just hope men that choose to partake out there do it carefully and wisely, if they really have to and can't wait til they come home.

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