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Price/quality equation

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It is an often repeated fact that paying more does not guarantee a better experience and this is supported by numerous statements about crap punts at £350 and brilliant ones at £100. However, it is a mistake to conclude that there is no correlation. You can have a poor meal in an expensive restaurant and a brilliant one in a much cheaper place but the likelihood of a good meal in an expensive restaurant is higher. Likewise, a wg charging £200 plus and NOT providing a good service is unlikely to flourish and, if you ignore the constantly changing population of agency girls and focus on the well established independents, my experience is that the good ones are able to charge a bit more and therefore generally do. One girl I see (who does not post on here and is on G's no FRs list) has just put up her rates and when I asked her about it she said she had been getting more enquiries than she could handle and after the increase was getting as much work as she wanted and producing more income. She was still charging her regulars the old prices :D.

I think the conclusion is that, although there are no guarantees, there is an increased probability of a good experience with the slightly more expensive wgs (though no substitute for good research).

As the man said, The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong ... but that's the way to bet."

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Also a case of what the market will tolerate.

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Does the "well-established" part make a difference?

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Does the "well-established" part make a difference?

Absolutely. If you pay Saatchi & Saatchi a fortune and it doesn't get the result you wanted (unlikely) it doesn't mean you made a bad choice. But if you paid some unknown company a fortune and the same thing happened one might question the decision.

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well you're assuming that this all boils down to logic. It seldom does.

It all boils down to the attitude of the escort in question. A 40 pound WG in a flat would get repeat custom if she was good in her job, was pleasant and not rude, etc. Similarly, the same is true of the 200 pound WG.

So there is no total link/correlation between price and quality. A higher price per se does not lead to better quality, since it depends on the WG's own attitude.

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well you're assuming that this all boils down to logic. It seldom does.

It all boils down to the attitude of the escort in question. A 40 pound WG in a flat would get repeat custom if she was good in her job, was pleasant and not rude, etc. Similarly, the same is true of the 200 pound WG.

So there is no total link/correlation between price and quality. A higher price per se does not lead to better quality, since it depends on the WG's own attitude.

However, let's extend that argument logically.

The girl who has everything going for her charges £40 per pop and word gets around and she is working 10am to 10pm 6 days a week and is flooded out with back to back punters and gets knackered, so she ups her rates, does less clients, spends more "me time" and makes a shed load more cash in the process. Simples.

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Much as i loathe to state the obvious, the number of posative fr,s for the milton keynes establishments over the years disproves the point that the higher the price the more likely the services would be better . Most of the establishments there charge towards the lower end of the scale ( in the grand scheme of things) but the service is so obviously outstanding in most cases.You also have to remember that the ladies also receive less than the customer actually paid each time which pops the bubble of the op,s conclusion even further.xx

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The problem is that whatever you are selling if you put it for sale at top dollar some people will buy it because they presume they are getting a better quality or it appeals to their vanity and shows they have the disposable income. This is the reason designer labels do so well.

But this does not mean that those of us who don't buy designer labels don't laugh at them and think what a wate of money.

Snob value exists in exactly the same way with escorts as with any other bought product - but that is no reflection at all on actual quality.

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Isn't that also market forces at work? There appears to be a plethora of really lovely ladies in that area who do play for pay.

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Isn't that also market forces at work? There appears to be a plethora of really lovely ladies in that area who do play for pay.

I do take your point Ghen in so much as a concentration of any suppliers in an area tends to drive up quality and we see that in the way businesses often cluster together and drive up quality - eg silicon valley or the city

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It is an often repeated fact that paying more does not guarantee a better experience and this is supported by numerous statements about crap punts at £350 and brilliant ones at £100. However, it is a mistake to conclude that there is no correlation. You can have a poor meal in an expensive restaurant and a brilliant one in a much cheaper place but the likelihood of a good meal in an expensive restaurant is higher. Likewise, a wg charging £200 plus and NOT providing a good service is unlikely to flourish and, if you ignore the constantly changing population of agency girls and focus on the well established independents, my experience is that the good ones are able to charge a bit more and therefore generally do. One girl I see (who does not post on here and is on G's no FRs list) has just put up her rates and when I asked her about it she said she had been getting more enquiries than she could handle and after the increase was getting as much work as she wanted and producing more income. She was still charging her regulars the old prices :D.

I think the conclusion is that, although there are no guarantees, there is an increased probability of a good experience with the slightly more expensive wgs (though no substitute for good research).

As the man said, The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong ... but that's the way to bet."

I can't really comment on the veracity of your proposition Trouncer as the most I have ever paid for a punt is £320 for 2 hours (and got much longer than that as well). I simply have no experience of the £350/hr market that I think you are referring to. I tend to punt in the £100 to £150/hr range and although I encounter the odd below par punt, they are few and far between.

However, I can comment on the restaurant analogy. I love eating out, but much, much, much prefer mid priced restaurants (say £50/head). I have a couple of friends who adore high priced restaurants (over £100/head) and they persuade me to eat out with them once per year or so. I have no problem affording the meal, but invariably end up hating it because the whole thing feels such a rip off to me. Last Xmas we were charged £20 each for a small glass of champagne to start the meal at a well known high class London eatery :D. My two friends raved about how good the champagne was. Me, I guess I am just an uneducated heathen with an untrained palate, but I couldn't tell the difference between it and the £20/bottle stuff I have at home. And although the similarly pricy meal that followed was nice enough, it was small and a real triumph of style over substance. As we left with my friends talking about revisiting soon, I mentally vowed never to return.

I suspect I would have a similar reaction to a £350/hour punt. Regardless of how good it was, I just wouldn't enjoy it. YMMV.

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well you're assuming that this all boils down to logic. It seldom does.

It all boils down to the attitude of the escort in question. A 40 pound WG in a flat would get repeat custom if she was good in her job, was pleasant and not rude, etc. Similarly, the same is true of the 200 pound WG.

So there is no total link/correlation between price and quality. A higher price per se does not lead to better quality, since it depends on the WG's own attitude.

Spot on and having punted at both rates the OP mentioned i know for a fact there is no difference, as you say it depends on the attitude of the WG, this cant be bought in my experience, its either good, better or bad.

My 26 years punting proves to me there is no correlation between price and quality, i have put it to the test many times and found no link. Its a myth that there is one IMO.:)

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However, let's extend that argument logically.

The girl who has everything going for her charges £40 per pop and word gets around and she is working 10am to 10pm 6 days a week and is flooded out with back to back punters and gets knackered, so she ups her rates, does less clients, spends more "me time" and makes a shed load more cash in the process. Simples.

That may or may not happen but it doesnt change the fact that she was offering as good a service as a WG charging £200 an hour. Its human nature that if she was flooded with work she would charge me, anyone if able to would. I am not saying those that charge £200 an hour dont offer a good service, just that what the lady charges is not related to how good she is.

Some punters are under the impression that the more you pay the better the punt will be and the more guaranteed it is to be good or better, i have read their posts saying as much on here and been told so by punters i have met, its utter rubbish in truth as i know. I thought this way years ago so paid in the £300-350 an hour range believing this rubbish and discovered the truth, it wasnt any better than when i paid another WG £100 an hour. Its a punting myth that paying more buys you better in my personal experiences.:)

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The problem is that whatever you are selling if you put it for sale at top dollar some people will buy it because they presume they are getting a better quality or it appeals to their vanity and shows they have the disposable income. This is the reason designer labels do so well.

But this does not mean that those of us who don't buy designer labels don't laugh at them and think what a wate of money.

Snob value exists in exactly the same way with escorts as with any other bought product - but that is no reflection at all on actual quality.

Good post and explains how some punters think in my view.:)

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The problem is that whatever you are selling if you put it for sale at top dollar some people will buy it because they presume they are getting a better quality or it appeals to their vanity and shows they have the disposable income. This is the reason designer labels do so well.

But this does not mean that those of us who don't buy designer labels don't laugh at them and think what a wate of money.

Snob value exists in exactly the same way with escorts as with any other bought product - but that is no reflection at all on actual quality.

Except it's not only WAGS that buy designer labels just as it is not all dummies that pay higher prices for escorts.

The easiest example that comes to mind is the stunning 20-year old who puts out some good pictures, a bit of accompanying well-written text, and a high price tag.

The punter buys into it because there is a reasonable chance that it is worthwhile, or what he is thinking it will be. In many cases, the more discerning punter will be more readily convinced by the same profile but with some with just a few more years experience or a solid agency behind them or a very convincing reputation under the girl's own feet. It comes down to believability.

Designer clothes sell to morons who don't know what they are buying and who believe it must be good cos it cost a lot. And who often end up unhappy. Not that the clothes were rubbish but that they didn't have the sense and taste to buy what was right for them.

But some of it is bought by intelligent people with good taste. Some designer clothing is made to a much higher standard than high street. The materials are more expensive. The stitching is done by hand and won't come undone. The cut is designed to show off a certain body shape to distinct advantage. Most are designed to create a certain 'look' and have really to be worn at the appropriate time and in the appropriate way. But others are put together for pzzaz alone, not for durability. They maybe light up a catwalk but would be in tatters if you tried to wear them through a normal working day.

Nicole Kidman or George Clooney know how both how to choose and to wear designer. They look damn good and I doubt very much if either feel they have to show off their wealth. But watch the newbies on the red carpets and see how wrong they get it. Likewise I could tell you the difference between a £4 burgundy and a £30 one and hopefully a £90 one. Beyond that I probably wouldn't have a clue.

I have gone on a bit off topic. I doubt if the price range and value-equivalence is noticeable over such a scale with working girls. But that may be in part that it is hard for top girls to demonstrate such overarching advantage.

I personally have quite a small budget for punting. Partly financial constraints and partly that I like it to be at a level where money is not the big consideration - else I would consider it both obsessive and excessive.

But I am not very fond of the inverted snobbery that laughs at anyone who can spend money in larger amounts wisely.

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I can't really comment on the veracity of your proposition Trouncer as the most I have ever paid for a punt is £320 for 2 hours (and got much longer than that as well). I simply have no experience of the £350/hr market that I think you are referring to. I tend to punt in the £100 to £150/hr range and although I encounter the odd below par punt, they are few and far between.

However, I can comment on the restaurant analogy. I love eating out, but much, much, much prefer mid priced restaurants (say £50/head). I have a couple of friends who adore high priced restaurants (over £100/head) and they persuade me to eat out with them once per year or so. I have no problem affording the meal, but invariably end up hating it because the whole thing feels such a rip off to me. Last Xmas we were charged £20 each for a small glass of champagne to start the meal at a well known high class London eatery :). My two friends raved about how good the champagne was. Me, I guess I am just an uneducated heathen with an untrained palate, but I couldn't tell the difference between it and the £20/bottle stuff I have at home. And although the similarly pricy meal that followed was nice enough, it was small and a real triumph of style over substance. As we left with my friends talking about revisiting soon, I mentally vowed never to return.

I suspect I would have a similar reaction to a £350/hour punt. Regardless of how good it was, I just wouldn't enjoy it. YMMV.

I think we're singing from the same hymn-sheet NW. It is a pity that my comments have been characterised by seeking to compare brilliant £40/hr escorts with poor £350/hr ones. If anyone can point me in the direction of the brilliant £40/hr ones I shall be most grateful.

I can't remember when I last paid more than £50 a head in a restaurant. That is top whack for me. So I think we are both talking about the same general market sector.

Like you, I mainly go for the £100 to £150/hr bracket with up to £80 for a half hour incall and the occasional dinner date, which works out at rather less per hour. Within that range, and assuming the same geographical area, I find that the better girls are more likely to charge £150 than £120, because they have found that they can. That is the basis for my argument.

Caitlin questioned "well-established" in my OP. That was included because my argument applies only after a girl has been working long enough to build up a regular clientele and to confirm that enough clients share her view of what rate is reasonable for what she is offering.

It is irrelevant to quote rates in Milton Keynes as indicative of what is a reasonable rate elsewhere (as Chloe does) as you would need to factor in the travelling time and cost of those who don't live near there. Bananas are consistently cheaper in the West Indies than they are in Slough but that doesn't prove anything.

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It is irrelevant to quote rates in Milton Keynes as indicative of what is a reasonable rate elsewhere (as Chloe does) as you would need to factor in the travelling time and cost of those who don't live near there. Bananas are consistently cheaper in the West Indies than they are in Slough but that doesn't prove anything.

Really, i think the most irrelevant post concerned is the one you made above. You are in Buckinghamshire....Milton keynes is in buckinghamshire. This means my dear fellow that the cost of your travel either by car or rail would be minimal at best. I feel your banana comment is a SLIGHT over exageration, dont you.as last time i looked you couldnt get a bus from slough to the west indies,perhaps i am wrong here:p

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I was using mk as a way of disproving the origional post, which i did. The question of travel costs would factor into almost any visit to any lady no matter how high or low her prices were, so this comment is irrelevant to the case.:)

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Really, i think the most irrelevant post concerned is the one you made above. You are in Buckinghamshire....Milton keynes is in buckinghamshire. This means my dear fellow that the cost of your travel either by car or rail would be minimal at best. I feel your banana comment is a SLIGHT over exageration, dont you.as last time i looked you couldnt get a bus from slough to the west indies,perhaps i am wrong here:p

Well, of course, Chloe if you think a 100 mile round trip doesn't affect things, there's not much point in discussing the matter. I hadn't even thought of getting a bus but now you mention it I've had a look and you can. It does involve two changes and take over 3

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I was using mk as a way of disproving the origional post, which i did. The question of travel costs would factor into almost any visit to any lady no matter how high or low her prices were, so this comment is irrelevant to the case.:)

That is also nonsense, as the fact that I would take into account the time and cost of travel to Slough and the time and cost of travel to Milton Keynes results in the conclusion that the total cost of a punt in MK would be much higher so the fact that the amount actually paid there is, say, £20 less has no relevance to my conclusion that, within my area, the girls who charge a bit more are more likely to be the ones who give a better service. I am not saying it is always the case and I certainly don't regard it as any reason not to do as much research as I can but I do find that I have very, very few disappointing experiences. You cannot "disprove my original post" because it was recoring my own experience.

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I have dabled in the 350 ph market. But its not something I dabled into without making sure everything was going to be great.

Its all about what the punters willing to pay for the service. Too much and we wont buy, too little and she'll be swamped with bookings and missing out on extra money that she could have earned if she had higher prices.

On the same theme, when Ive been searching for an escort I have noticed that "Bands" have appeared on the bare minimum of what I'm will to expect at price ranges.

120: bare minimum kissing, OW, RO, Sex

150: DFK, OWO, RO, sex.

200: DFK, OWO, RO, CIM, Sex, Stunning

250: All services Very Stunning

350+: Basically You'll have to be a BangBabes or Elite Nights model and do all services (bar BB)

Also depends on the rate if I go for 2 hours or more incase it actually pushes the hourly rate down.

Thing is Ive seen girls advertising pretty much vanilla service at 200. Well why would I visit if I can get that (and more :) ) from someone else?

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It is an often repeated fact that paying more does not guarantee a better experience and this is supported by numerous statements about crap punts at £350 and brilliant ones at £100. However, it is a mistake to conclude that there is no correlation. You can have a poor meal in an expensive restaurant and a brilliant one in a much cheaper place but the likelihood of a good meal in an expensive restaurant is higher. Likewise, a wg charging £200 plus and NOT providing a good service is unlikely to flourish and, if you ignore the constantly changing population of agency girls and focus on the well established independents, my experience is that the good ones are able to charge a bit more and therefore generally do. One girl I see (who does not post on here and is on G's no FRs list) has just put up her rates and when I asked her about it she said she had been getting more enquiries than she could handle and after the increase was getting as much work as she wanted and producing more income. She was still charging her regulars the old prices :).

I think the conclusion is that, although there are no guarantees, there is an increased probability of a good experience with the slightly more expensive wgs (though no substitute for good research).

As the man said, The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong ... but that's the way to bet."

Still causing trouble Trouncer :-) xxx

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Still causing trouble Trouncer :-) xxx

Tara !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great to see you posting. Mwah!

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Tara !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great to see you posting. Mwah!

Yea I'm back after a break :-)

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If I ever contemplated a punt with a £350/hr escort, I rather suspect I'd be setting myself up for disappointment, because my expectations would be so inflated. (Wow, she can charge £350/hr and punters pay it? This is going to be mind-blowing). :)

I regularly punt in a price-range up to £90/hr, and have had some terrific punts. I've also had a few punts over the years I'd describe as disappointing, but these number probably 1-in-20 of the overall number of punts I've had. This is because if I really click with the lady, I'll put her in my collection of favourite WGs, and have subsequent punts with her (sometimes extending to 2hr punts).

What does occur to me is this: even if my 'crap' punt to 'good' punt ratio was as bad as 50/50, I'd still be getting TWO good punts for the same money as the person paying £350/hr (and two hours of pleasure to his one).

I don't think one can assume a correlation between price paid and degree of pleasure. It's not just about the lady's attitude. If the punter has personality traits or standards of hygiene that start the punt off on a bad foot, for example, is that going to be conducive to a relaxed atmosphere and good intercourse (both spoken and sexual) ? Of course not. He'd likely come away thinking her service was 'poor' if he'd paid £90/hr, or a 'total rip-off' at £350/hr. In my experience, there are so many variables that can impact on the flow of a good or unsatisfactory punt. Price paid doesn't automatically have anything to do with the perceived satisfaction level of the encounter (from the perspective of the punter).

BTW, my best-ever punt was with a parlour girl during the 2006 World Cup, when business was really slow. She hadn't had a customer for 3 days and we just clicked, leading to a (genuine) orgasm for her, and a fantastically memorable hour for me. Go figure !

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