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What makes us different from the rest of the popuation?

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Why do we gents punt and the rest of the population not? I started somewhat childishly taking revenge on my partner and have enjoyed just about every punt in the past ten years...

So what makes "this few, this happy few, this band of brothersdifferent from the rest? I doubt that punters are the majority so why do we, and why don't they punt/FBSM?

I would be particularly interested in comments from the ladies......

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Why do I punt?

Because I enjoy sex where I can request exactly what I would like with no hassles.

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Why do we gents punt and the rest of the population not? I started somewhat childishly taking revenge on my partner and have enjoyed just about every punt in the past ten years...

So what makes "this few, this happy few, this band of brothersdifferent from the rest? I doubt that punters are the majority so why do we, and why don't they punt/FBSM?

I would be particularly interested in comments from the ladies......

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Maybe not the majority, but certainly not 'few'.

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I doubt we are differant from many others of the population, we just have the nerve and opertunity to book an escort, and decide to chat about it.

Some are lucky to find ladies without booking them, others repress their urges and cast scorn, we are lucky that we have the ability to have fun and enjoy our happy little pastime...and like NIK said, I doubt it is few!.

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Why do we gents punt and the rest of the population not? I started somewhat childishly taking revenge on my partner and have enjoyed just about every punt in the past ten years...

So what makes "this few, this happy few, this band of brothersdifferent from the rest? I doubt that punters are the majority so why do we, and why don't they punt/FBSM?

I would be particularly interested in comments from the ladies......

More than a few i would say. Many others dont punt, they have affairs behind their partners backs while looking down on punters and WGs, some in blissful ignorance of their hypocrisy no doubt.

Others might have moral objections, a good friend of mine does although he knows i punt he only wants sex with someone he loves, fair enough.

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The means, the motive and the opportunity. Oh and in my case it is guilt free fun because I am not going behind someone's back (not that I am suggesting that punters with partners must feel guilty - just I don't have to).

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A lot of people dont have enought disposable income, others lack nerve. Some are happy with their existing sex lives. One thing is clear, each year the percentage of the male population who visits wgs increases. We are nowhere near the percentage of other nationalities who punt, eg the italians, french , and spanish. With the effective dissapearance, perhaps forever of the labour party as a political force, we may see a slightly more mature attitude to adult pastimes.

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A lot of people dont have enought disposable income, others lack nerve. Some are happy with their existing sex lives. One thing is clear, each year the percentage of the male population who visits wgs increases. We are nowhere near the percentage of other nationalities who punt, eg the italians, french , and spanish. With the effective dissapearance, perhaps forever of the labour party as a political force, we may see a slightly more mature attitude to adult pastimes.

At the risk of boring -

Look at the Tories quite shameless sucking up to the growing religious right in UK.

Free schools = Faith schools;The family stuff and so on

fortunately, like Caroline Noakes, they can't keep their own knickers on

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It would shock me if i found that the MAJORITY of men DO NOT punt.:P

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As mentioned above, being able to afford it is a big factor. The average UK salary is around £25k.

Let's not also forget that there are those who simply aren't aware quite how accessible punting is. Until about a year ago I had no idea I could just browse the internet and book an escort.

Many of my friends who I talk to about my punting (the open minded ones) are also surprised and interested when I tell them just how easy it is.

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Some men simply haven't thought the question through, or have just automatically assumed that ofcourse people like themselves don't punt. It's very striking that when men start in their fifties, either because of divorce, bereavement or sex drying up, they invariably take to it like ducks to water.

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More than a few i would say. Many others dont punt, they have affairs behind their partners backs while looking down on punters and WGs, some in blissful ignorance of their hypocrisy no doubt.

Others might have moral objections, a good friend of mine does although he knows i punt he only wants sex with someone he loves, fair enough.

Perhaps we should differentiate a bit here. Over many years I've known of loads of guys cheating on their wives partners etc but by far the greatest majority are those that pick up women in bars /clubs/ the internet rather than those that punt. Disposable income has a lot to do with it and hiding the expenditure from a significant other.

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The most reliable information we have on how many men pay for sex comes from the National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles, funded by the Medical Research Council and others. It is a very high quality sample survey conducted every 10 years. The latest is about to begin so currently there is data only for 1990 and 2000.

The 2000 survey showed that the proportion of men who reported paying women for sex in the previous 5 years increased from 2.0% in 1990 to 4.2% in 2000. There was no association with ethnicity, social class, homosexual contact, or injecting drug use. Men who paid for sex were more likely to report 10 or more sexual partners in the previous 5 years; only a minority of their lifetime sexual partners (19.3%) were commercial. They were more likely to meet partners abroad and to report previous STI.

Overall the proportion of men who said they had ever paid for sex was 5% in 1990 and 10% in 2000. Similar recent surveys conducted in the USA and Australia gave a proportion of 15% of men who had ever paid for sex and 2% who had in the previous year.

Now you may doubt these figures. If you do, ask yourself if you would be honest if invited to take part in a properly conducted medical survey on sex which gives full guarantees of confidentiality and fully explains the need for reliable data. But before you shout 'foul', read this:

http://www.natcen.ac.uk/natsal/technical_report.pdf

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Possibly something the research doesn't show is how we live happily in la-la land. When a good WG meets a punter she is diplomacy personified. Like someone on a first date trying really hard. When a decent punter meets a WG he is nicely turned out, best manners, maybe a box of chocolates or something, and always gentlemanly and polite.

They both come away after a 'Girlfriend Experience.'

Whereas in a real relationship you laugh and cry, have fights and make up, find out what really drives each other and wonder if you can cope.

The diplomacy skills of la-la relationships can either make you better equipped or less tolerant. Everyone should become one of the 'rest of the population' for a while every so often. And perhaps they should try la-la land, just to see what the view is like.

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Some men simply haven't thought the question through, or have just automatically assumed that ofcourse people like themselves don't punt. It's very striking that when men start in their fifties, either because of divorce, bereavement or sex drying up, they invariably take to it like ducks to water.
And devote themselves to making up for lost time! Amen, brother.:P

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Having the guts to go through with a punt I reckon.

Considering how popular internet porn is, I'd say almost all men would do a punt if it was more easily and widely available and didn't have the social stigmas and legal issues that can arrise.

Before I got into punting I also thought that most WG's (no offence meant) were skanky and ugly, which I think a lot of men assume, until I saw some escort sites and realised they are far from it.

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Perhaps we should differentiate a bit here. Over many years I've known of loads of guys cheating on their wives partners etc but by far the greatest majority are those that pick up women in bars /clubs/ the internet rather than those that punt. Disposable income has a lot to do with it and hiding the expenditure from a significant other.

I did differentiate by saying guys have affairs which as you say may well start by picking women up in bars/clubs/internet. Many of these same guys no doubt think fucking WGs for money is disgusting, yet are unaware of their own hypocrisy that they are fucking others behind their partners backs. Both are cheating but the guy in his view hasnt lowered himself to pay for it, in reality most are paying but in a different form, presents, holidays, jewellery, even renting or buying a flat or house for the mistress. Others have one night stands.

In my personal opinion having an affair that might develop into love and put your relationship on the line is more damaging than punting. The mistress is more likely to bite back than a WG IMO and tell your partner as in most cases she would know everything about you, something most WGs dont.

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The 2000 survey showed that the proportion of men who reported paying women for sex in the previous 5 years increased from 2.0% in 1990 to 4.2% in 2000.

Overall the proportion of men who said they had ever paid for sex was 5% in 1990 and 10% in 2000. Similar recent surveys conducted in the USA and Australia gave a proportion of 15% of men who had ever paid for sex and 2% who had in the previous year.

A previous thread on this forum estimated that there are 80,000 working girls in the UK. An Exeter University report also estimates 80,000 (300,000 in Germany!). The Independent also quoted 80,000 in a report in 2008.

The PN thread suggested they see 2 clients a day on average, so about 160,000 men per day visit a WG. If the average punt duration is once every 2 weeks, that's 2.2 million men. If it's once a month, that is 4.8 million men. As there are about 23 million adult men in the UK, this suggests between 10% and 21%, ie alot higher than this research suggests.

Who knows the true figure. In context according to "Tearfund"? 15% of UK population go to church once a month - ie. 7% or so of men! The aggregate average attendance of all english football league clubs is 1.5 million - ie. 3.5% of the population.

Basically my conclusion is that more men visit working girls than go to church or go to watch professional football.

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I would say the majority of men wouldn't WANT to pay for it.Mostly it comes free as part of a relationship/fling or whatever, so why fork out for it. It probably doesn't enter their mind.As for 'paying ' for it by buying a girlfriend gifts,meals etc. Usually presents are bought out of love or affection not for a sexual favour.When my partner takes me for a meal he doesn' do it as a thank you for sex or because he is expecting sex in return.Having sex is a joint pleasure not a reward for his money!

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I would say the majority of men wouldn't WANT to pay for it.Mostly it comes free as part of a relationship/fling or whatever, so why fork out for it. It probably doesn't enter their mind.As for 'paying ' for it by buying a girlfriend gifts,meals etc. Usually presents are bought out of love or affection not for a sexual favour.When my partner takes me for a meal he doesn' do it as a thank you for sex or because he is expecting sex in return.Having sex is a joint pleasure not a reward for his money!

You should tell that to all the guys i have met who WERE married but got shot because the wives or who are still trapped in marraiges to women who would only let them get their leg over if the guy paid for a holiday, or new jewelery or a new car or the latest batch of botox. Sex SHOULD be a joint pleasure but dont think for a second that all marraiges are like yours.The number of married guys who DO PAY FOR IT is a testimony to that.

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Well I am sorry but more fool them.Sex in return for a good lifestyle, the men must be crackers!Fair play to the women though if they are getting away with it.They obviously must find their blokes a turn off but can just manage it for the sake of a gift/holiday!Personally I could probably do itt for a bit but not long term.

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You should tell that to all the guys i have met who WERE married but got shot because the wives or who are still trapped in marraiges to women who would only let them get their leg over if the guy paid for a holiday, or new jewelery or a new car or the latest batch of botox. Sex SHOULD be a joint pleasure but dont think for a second that all marraiges are like yours.The number of married guys who DO PAY FOR IT is a testimony to that.

Some posters can only see things from their own one dimensional viewpoint. I agree with YOUR post.:P

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Ha ha smiths what a surprise.

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I would say the majority of men wouldn't WANT to pay for it.Mostly it comes free as part of a relationship/fling or whatever, so why fork out for it. It probably doesn't enter their mind.As for 'paying ' for it by buying a girlfriend gifts,meals etc. Usually presents are bought out of love or affection not for a sexual favour.When my partner takes me for a meal he doesn' do it as a thank you for sex or because he is expecting sex in return.Having sex is a joint pleasure not a reward for his money!

In my opinion the whole premise of your post is a little mistaken. You seem to have created two compartments, one for wives/girlfriends/flings, and a separate one for prostitutes.

Imo reality is a good deal more nuanced than that. There are probably wives/gfs who are more mercenary than some WGs, just as the opposite may also be true. As I see it, and it is only my opinion, there is a spectrum of relationships, which stretches from the lifetime monogamous partner through all the shades of promiscuity (commercial or otherwise please note) that humanity has to offer.

Visiting a WG can be anything from a 10minute pop and go, to something which does have some meaning beyond just sex. If you follow this forum you will see that posters (punters) on here hold a range of views on that too. For my part I haven't always adopted the same approach, and even now I choose to go for some variety as well as an occasional "regular".

I believe in viewing whoever I visit first and foremost as a human and not as someone who is limited by the label that broader society chooses to attach to her. From my perspective it can be more akin to meeting a friend or a fuck buddy, a mistress even. Of course we know where we stand, and there is a commercial transaction at its heart, but there is a certain honesty to that imo.

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I would say the majority of men wouldn't WANT to pay for it.Mostly it comes free as part of a relationship/fling or whatever, so why fork out for it. It probably doesn't enter their mind.As for 'paying ' for it by buying a girlfriend gifts,meals etc. Usually presents are bought out of love or affection not for a sexual favour.When my partner takes me for a meal he doesn' do it as a thank you for sex or because he is expecting sex in return.Having sex is a joint pleasure not a reward for his money!

Such certainty must be very comforting.

Having reached a fairly advanced age, I don't think I would ever be surprised at the games folks play to pass themselves off as more or less sane.

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