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Hertfordshire brothel keeper jailed

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Curious that the plod spokespuppet calls it an "economic crime".

That will both irritate the anti exploitation fems and indicate that the motive was again the contibution of proceeds of crime to police funds

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So two people were convicted of keeping a brothel in a barn in Hertfordshire. No mention of any W.G's.

Are we therefore to assume pigs, horses, donkeys, sheep etc were also guilty, but were not brought to trial?

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Doesnt make pleasant reading ;)

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Doesnt make pleasant reading ;)

It's not all it seems. The arrests were in January 2009, so well before the Policing and Crime Bill, and it was clearly a significant establishment - not just a cow shed!

"During the raid, on January 27 last year, officers found a second-floor had been built, housing a double bedroom with an en suite shower, a lounge area with a bar and jacuzzi and another room had mattresses on the floor. …………. The business was being promoted as an escort agency, across Beds, Herts and Bucks using names like 'Heavenly Playmates' and 'VIP Escorts' boasting of 'stunning and eye-catching babes'."

Did anyone here use it?

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I can't grasp why people feel shocked at this, the Law s clear on running a brothel and it seems to have been applied,

People know what they are doing is illegal and as such if they can't do the time don't do the crime.

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I know more about this than I dare say on a public forum but suffice to say that the guy is one nasty bit of work.

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I can't grasp why people feel shocked at this, the Law s clear on running a brothel and it seems to have been applied,

People know what they are doing is illegal and as such if they can't do the time don't do the crime.

Harsh but true. Sadly a lot of people do come into the business blind not realising exactly what they are getting involved in. We didn't and were always looking over our shoulder, that said we also became arrogant and too big an operation to ignore at our height.

However how the police deal with people in our situation differs so much across the country, due to the fact we don't have a National Police Force (yet). Which is why some people trade with apparent immunity whilst others feel the full wrath of the justice system for seemingly doing very little.

It's not an enviable position to be in and one would hope anyone being taken to court gets a fair trial with a modern thinking jury.

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I know more about this than I dare say on a public forum but suffice to say that the guy is one nasty bit of work.

when you say a nasty piece of work you mean the Police dont you? Thats what most posters on here would think. heaven forbid any brothel owner/operator could be anything other than a warm lovely human being with an altruistic streak as wide as the M1:rolleyes:

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when you say a nasty piece of work you mean the Police dont you? Thats what most posters on here would think. heaven forbid any brothel owner/operator could be anything other than a warm lovely human being with an altruistic streak as wide as the M1:rolleyes:

Of course I mean the Police. The gentleman in the article is kind to animals, helps old ladies across the road and dotes on his dear old mum - NOT.

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I can't grasp why people feel shocked at this, the Law s clear on running a brothel and it seems to have been applied,

People know what they are doing is illegal and as such if they can't do the time don't do the crime.

Steve, you are quite right --------- the only thing that surprises me is that so many brothels operate for years without being raided.

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I can't grasp why people feel shocked at this, the Law s clear on running a brothel and it seems to have been applied,

People know what they are doing is illegal and as such if they can't do the time don't do the crime.

you can't grasp why we're shocked? number one because it's a moral crime. There's no intricsic victim, although neighbours could be offended on inconvenienced etc. it's not a requirement. Neither is it a requirement that the girls are victimised.

Secondly... 18 months?? You could be caught with thousands of child porn pictures and get less, maybe no jail time at all. You could commit burglary and get less. Seems a little excessive for a completely victimless crime - unless someone has some info to suggest there was a victim in this case.

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... but suffice to say that the guy is one nasty bit of work.

He doesn't look like your favourite uncle, does he?

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Don't see any sign of folks being "shocked".

Personally I just curious as to why it was dealt with by the "economic crime" unit, was brothel keeping the real issue or was it taxation or work permits?

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Don't see any sign of folks being "shocked".

Personally I just curious as to why it was dealt with by the "economic crime" unit, was brothel keeping the real issue or was it taxation or work permits?

There isn't enough context in the article to draw any conclusions. However, it's naive for people to believe that no brothel owner can do any wrong, and that they're all paragons of virtue based on (a) those establishments that post on this and other fora and (:cool: the popular parlours and agencies that feature prominently in field reports.

(Another reason for legal brothels: it would sort the wheat from the chaff, although perhaps even that is wishful thinking.)

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"During the raid, on January 27 last year, officers found a second-floor had been built, housing a double bedroom with an en suite shower, a lounge area with a bar and jacuzzi and another room had mattresses on the floor. …………. The business was being promoted as an escort agency, across Beds, Herts and Bucks using names like 'Heavenly Playmates' and 'VIP Escorts' boasting of 'stunning and eye-catching babes'."

It doesn't say that in the Comet article? As far as I am aware, this place was not promoted or advertised anywhere. Great Offley is a tiny village with one nice pub and a few houses.

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There isn't enough context in the article to draw any conclusions. However, it's naive for people to believe that no brothel owner can do any wrong, and that they're all paragons of virtue based on (a) those establishments that post on this and other fora and (:cool: the popular parlours and agencies that feature prominently in field reports.

(Another reason for legal brothels: it would sort the wheat from the chaff, although perhaps even that is wishful thinking.)

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That's the point (and it should probably be argued on another area of the board), there are crimes that every one agrees are crimes on account of the harm that is done and the overwhelming feeling that it just ain't RIGHT and then there are crimes that are crimes because a particular faction managed the get it on the statute book.

So brothel keeping - illegal? yes / wrong ? depends.

Umles we argue it wew stay in the same place

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With thousands of police officers to disappear and four in every ten courts I just don't believe the criminal justice system should be touching any cases where there aren't any victims.

Of course the police should act where there are concerns of coercion, but in all other cases they should keep their snouts out if people's financial affairs are in order.

There is no justification to directing resouces into prosecuting a case like SashaB's. It's just an excuse for state sponsored theft in my opinion - in fact it's an abuse by the state.

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He doesn't look like your favourite uncle, does he?

He probably got an extra 6 months for having a face like that !

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Sad fact is that the police really dont care how "well run" a place is. Its just about the Money, Money, Money. The fact that police are loosing thier jobs and under pressure to make financial cuts IMO only makes things worse.

Dodgy people, real criminals, gangsters or whatever you want to call them know how to "protect" thier interests and as such make life hard for the police and IMO get left alone because its too much like hard work for the police to connect the dots and get a conviction against them. Those opperating ethically "tend" to not use these same shadey practises to hide thier activites, neivity might make you think that in doing things the right way they shouldnt need to hide but as a result of being open and ethical they become easy or soft touch targets for police hungry for proceeds of crime.

There is no doubt there are some nasty ******** out thier opperating in this industry and they should be stopped, its just a shame that welfare and safety IMO dont factor in the police's decision to investigate or the CPS decision to charge, its still just Money

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Sad fact is that the police really dont care how "well run" a place is.

Of course they don't, nor should they, the law makes no reference to how well a place is run, in the same way 100mph on the motorway is an offence, no matter how well you are driving.

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There isn't enough context in the article to draw any conclusions. However, it's naive for people to believe that no brothel owner can do any wrong, and that they're all paragons of virtue based on (a) those establishments that post on this and other fora and (:cool: the popular parlours and agencies that feature prominently in field reports.

(Another reason for legal brothels: it would sort the wheat from the chaff, although perhaps even that is wishful thinking.)

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Agreed

There are some decent brothel owners, but there are also plenty of shit ones who don't give a toss about the girls or the punters as long as they make money. The latter should be closed down and prosecuted.

If brothels were to become legal, who would decide who could and couldn't run them?

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If brothels were to become legal, who would decide who could and couldn't run them?

The local council as the places would have to be licensed.

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The local council as the places would have to be licensed.

It would also be much easier to moderate as if the owners "misbehaved" the girls would be able to report bad behavior with ease... soon put a stop to bad practise. You may laugh but I dont see any reason why councils couldnt award ratings not unsimilar to hotel star ratings, with regular inspections not unlike food heigene inspections for the food industries. The main thing would be to maintain discretion for both the clients and girls working

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Of course they don't, nor should they, the law makes no reference to how well a place is run, in the same way 100mph on the motorway is an offence, no matter how well you are driving.

100 mph, by UK standards of driving is "criminal" (in Germany where on autobahns DBs tank by at speeds well in excess of 200 kph, things are different) but the proper comparison is with the driver doing 75 - 80 on a motorway. In Wales, you'd be done, but not in Cumbria!

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