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Punters getting robbed?

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A mate went to see an escort at an incall, she was either EE or Latin American, clearly not the girl on the website pic. When he was about to leave, she would not leave and threatened to call her boss and his mates in the the other room, unless he paid up. He panicked paid and left without being physically assualted. What a fool I told him. There probably was not anybody in the other room. I said he should have called her bluff, by taking out his phone and threatening to call the police, saying he is being robbed by a 'model' who is demanding money with menaces etc, he met on a website used for prostitution purposes, which was not mentioned at the time. etc All he has to do is give the address and she would get the frighteners on and have to let him leave. He said he was too ashamed to call the police. This is a ploy often used by some overseas working girls and their bosses, and also some british girls too. The other one is when they go to the outcall hotel, they demand the money first to give to the driver for security and run off.

Both scenarios are down to the naivety of the punter. Anyone had similar experiences? ie threatened with violence by the minder if they dont pay? surely a phone call to the nick would see them shut down? or are the old bill not bothered, unless someone is seriously hurt because 'johns' get what they deserve?

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A mate went to see an escort at an incall, she was either EE or Latin American, clearly not the girl on the website pic. When he was about to leave, she would not leave and threatened to call her boss and his mates in the the other room, unless he paid up. He panicked paid and left without being physically assualted. What a fool I told him. There probably was not anybody in the other room. I said he should have called her bluff, by taking out his phone and threatening to call the police, saying he is being robbed by a 'model' who is demanding money with menaces etc, he met on a website used for prostitution purposes, which was not mentioned at the time. etc All he has to do is give the address and she would get the frighteners on and have to let him leave. He said he was too ashamed to call the police. This is a ploy often used by some overseas working girls and their bosses, and also some british girls too. The other one is when they go to the outcall hotel, they demand the money first to give to the driver for security and run off.

Both scenarios are down to the naivety of the punter. Anyone had similar experiences? ie threatened with violence by the minder if they dont pay? surely a phone call to the nick would see them shut down? or are the old bill not bothered, unless someone is seriously hurt because 'johns' get what they deserve?

he doesn't have to give it all the crap about her being a "model" - the police won't believe a word of it for starters, and prostitution isn't illegal anyway from the punters point of view

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A mate went to see an escort at an incall, she was either EE or Latin American, clearly not the girl on the website pic. When he was about to leave, she would not leave and threatened to call her boss and his mates in the the other room, unless he paid up. He panicked paid and left without being physically assualted. What a fool I told him. There probably was not anybody in the other room. I said he should have called her bluff, by taking out his phone and threatening to call the police, saying he is being robbed by a 'model' who is demanding money with menaces etc, he met on a website used for prostitution purposes, which was not mentioned at the time. etc All he has to do is give the address and she would get the frighteners on and have to let him leave. He said he was too ashamed to call the police. This is a ploy often used by some overseas working girls and their bosses, and also some british girls too. The other one is when they go to the outcall hotel, they demand the money first to give to the driver for security and run off.

Both scenarios are down to the naivety of the punter. Anyone had similar experiences? ie threatened with violence by the minder if they dont pay? surely a phone call to the nick would see them shut down? or are the old bill not bothered, unless someone is seriously hurt because 'johns' get what they deserve?

The second scenario is easily overcome by saying you will come down and pay the "driver" yourself, although in reality a professional WG would of already built this cost into the punt.

The first obviously relies on the lady scaring the punter and who knows in some cases there might be a guy or guys at hand. I would call the police in this situation and hope there isnt any guy or guys that come in the room. In 26 years punting including in very risky situations on occassion i have not been robbed or physically attacked although i have had some close shaves.

This is exactly the kind of incident that should be posted on here as a warning to others IMO.

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Finsbury, do you have a name or contact details for this so called WG?

Name and shame please.

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We could write a list of scams some girls use all day long. Been punting for a few many years now and must say I have never come across those two. Mind you did get my tyres slashed on the way out once in Bham about 21 years ago. I think we should start a scam topic only to list the known scams and have it made sticky.

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I heard of scenario like this before. It's quite possible that girls have someone in other room for protection. I heard of people being threathened with violence first by prostitute and then if not comply usually some Gorilla would come out of room to collect the money anyway.

It has happened before - many times, well at least in my country; so I see no reason it shouldn't happen here. For instance If I were to go to House of Divine on appointment and change my mind upon arrival I would still have to pay. I think that's what I've been told on the phone.

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For instance If I were to go to House of Divine on appointment and change my mind upon arrival I would still have to pay. I think that's what I've been told on the phone.

Not knocking HOD because you only 'think' that's what you were told. However they would have no right to ask you to pay, so you can just walk away. I do appreciate that some punters end up in scary places (for God's sake why do they get themselves in that position?) , where that is not easy. But I do get the impression that a lot of punters are simply craven when it comes to a 'scene'.

Don't accept it!

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Finsbury, do you have a name or contact details for this so called WG?

Name and shame please.

Agreed. Name of agency and WG so we know to avoid this one. Also, where was this? London?

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I have herd the odd FR of the punter paying, getting undressed, then some angry bf bursting In, asking what Is he doing with his Mrs? :rolleyes:

Though I've never been scammed like any of these, why would a grown man be scared by a woman to hand over his money lol, some guys need to grow a pair, and remember even now punting Is not Illegal, If they got mugged after pub kicking out wouldn't they go to the coppers? :D

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Its probably embarrassing to call the police - much like the confidence scams people feel stupid or embarrassed. The main think for new punters to do and we were all new is to stick to reviews on punter net and reputable agencies and escorts that advertise.

Ive never had this experience in all my years of punting. I have always weighed up the situation and also gone places where they were advertising in the paper week in week out - so you know they treat it like a business.

For outcalls you can always assess the situation and if it is too cheap to be true it normally is. Stay away from council estates in North London and South East London. If your new go to a Sauna, oriental massage place or a reputable house - there is enough places around. It is normally excitement and adventure that lands people in trouble.

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I heard of scenario like this before. It's quite possible that girls have someone in other room for protection. I heard of people being threathened with violence first by prostitute and then if not comply usually some Gorilla would come out of room to collect the money anyway.

It has happened before - many times, well at least in my country; so I see no reason it shouldn't happen here. For instance If I were to go to House of Divine on appointment and change my mind upon arrival I would still have to pay. I think that's what I've been told on the phone.

I have never been to HOD myself but i know many punters who have and i have never heard about this. How would or could they make you pay?

I would just walk out but would only do that if i had been lied to or misled.

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I have never been to HOD myself but i know many punters who have and i have never heard about this. How would or could they make you pay?

I would just walk out but would only do that if i had been lied to or misled.

I am pretty sure HOD dont do that.

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I am pretty sure HOD dont do that.

They don't need to.

But sure there might well be the odd dodgey set up, at some very naughty places where punters will be threatened, like In anything In life he needs to weigh up his options, Is It worth It? And can he kick the gorilla In the jacob's and do one? :D

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he doesn't have to give it all the crap about her being a "model" - the police won't believe a word of it for starters, and prostitution isn't illegal anyway from the punters point of view

Sorry, hasn't there been a recent law change borrowed from Sweden making it illegal for a man to pay for sex while keeping the sex-provider on the right side of the law?

I.E to have any form of protection from being set-up and robbed like this you would have to lie and say "I met so-and-so on a modelling website just to meet for a chat..." or something

Is this right?

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Don't tend to carry a lot of spare cash (beyond the fee) when punting anyway .... Perhaps that could lead to other problems.

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Like most of us on here, I've ended up in places where I've wondered about my safety. Rough looking housing estates, run down blocks of flats. We've all been there.

Luckily though, I've never experienced a problem, and they've turned out to be some of my best punts.

The only robbery I've experienced is where they rob you of the time you've paid for. If I book an hour, I expect to get an hour.

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I am of the opinion that when it comes to punting, nowhere is completely safe; some places are just more dangerous than others.

It is almost always a cash-only business, with no purchase records or invoices, and if things go wrong in any way, you are entirely on your own, most especially in a parlour.

I don't know how well it works, but the system now available on the other site where you book the appointment via the site, stating when, how long and agreed fees, at least puts that info 'on record' with a third party. In theory, at least, that is a mechanism that should help avoid disputes, but I don't know what it can/will do if a dispute arises.

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I have never been to HOD myself but i know many punters who have and i have never heard about this. How would or could they make you pay?

I would just walk out but would only do that if i had been lied to or misled.

In way that is screws up their booking schedule. You booked appointment for half an hour and then you want to cancel, which means they've lost half an hour where someone else could use that time. I can't remeber exactly what happens next, it could be they could ask you for cancellation fee, but I think I've been told it would have been whole amount.

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Sorry, hasn't there been a recent law change borrowed from Sweden making it illegal for a man to pay for sex while keeping the sex-provider on the right side of the law?

I.E to have any form of protection from being set-up and robbed like this you would have to lie and say "I met so-and-so on a modelling website just to meet for a chat..." or something

Is this right?

no - the new law only makes it illegal to pay or promise to pay a person who is being "forced, threatened, deceived or otherwise coerced" into being a prostitute. Visiting a brothel, booking an escort is all perfectly legal in of itself.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2009/ukpga_20090026_en_4#pt2-pb1-l1g14

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For instance If I were to go to House of Divine on appointment and change my mind upon arrival I would still have to pay. I think that's what I've been told on the phone.
I am pretty sure HOD dont do that.

Hi,

I am absolutely positive HOD don't do that. If you think they might, or that you were told this, on the phone, why don't you ask them?

When I have been to dodgy establishments, in the past, and not liked what I have been offered and been about to walk, the girl or the maid have tried to make me pay an "interview" fee of £5 or so. I've never paid it, and just carried on walking.

Nobby

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This case springs to mind:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/5043206.Brothel_shock_for_bungling_robbers/

"A COUPLE who planned to rob a punter who had gone to a brothel for a "massage" picked on the wrong target - a burly soldier fresh from basic training.

Bungling pair Joanne Metcalfe and Alexander Millar had no idea they were luring a fitness fanatic and fighting machine to her parlour in an upstairs flat in Darlington.

The petite prostitute and her teenage accomplice - armed with a knife and a heavy telescopic baton - proved to be no match for the 26-year-old recruit.

He battered Millar into submission and left 29-year-old Metcalfe in tears on her bed after turning the tables on their plot to attack him and steal his money.

Metcalfe made a tearful early-morning 999 call, claiming a madman had burst into her home and attacked her friend with "a pole" - and the soldier was arrested.

Officers arrived at the flat and found 17-year-old Millar cowering on the floor, covered in blood, and his intended victim naked, holding the weapons.

Protesting at his detention, the soldier - based at Catterick Garrison, North Yorkshire - told police: "I can't believe this is happening. I've been scammed. I got her number from the newspaper."

The soldier said he saved the number from a personal ad in a national tabloid last summer, and responded to it one day after having a few drinks with colleagues.

He said he had been getting a massage from a woman, who called herself Nicole, when a man burst in, screaming: "What you doing with my f*****g girlfriend?"

He told police he felt a knife being pressed against his throat, so he head-butted him, then noticed he had a cosh in his other hand and was refusing to put them down.

"I grabbed him around the throat, got the baton and told him to drop the knife," he told police.

"The lad said he would kill me, and I was worried he might stab me.

"I hit him with the baton two times on the arm and then on the body, and I was shouting 'drop it'. He then began to cry and sob, and I told him to move towards the wall."

When the soldier went to pick up the knife, he found a second blade beside it on the floor, and gathered up all the weapons to make sure he was not harmed.

After ordering the now-hysterical Metcalfe to retrieve his discarded clothes, he realised his wallet and mobile telephone were missing from the pockets of his jeans.

He told police that he said to the stunned pair: "Your scam hasn't worked . . . and it can be brought to an end easily if you return my property."

His version of events from the night of August 1 was believed, and police began questioning Metcalfe and Millar on suspicion of conspiring to rob.

The pair were released on bail, but within two months Metcalfe was at it again - this time with a different fall-guy - advertising her services in a national newspaper.

A 68-year-old man called the number next to the advertisement saying "Darlington, slim and sexy" on October 9, and made an appointment at the parlour for two days later.

The pensioner was met by a bikini-clad woman calling herself Nicole, who offered him "full personal" for £60 and led him to the bedroom.

After undressing, he was lying face down on the bed when a man burst into the room, claiming to be the woman's husband, yelling: "Get out or I'll cut your knackers off."

The man was ordered to leave, but when he later realised his wallet and £180 was missing, he returned to the flat to confront the pair, but they denied any knowledge of it.

Metcalfe, of Orchard Road, Darlington, has since admitted charges of conspiracy to rob and conspiracy to steal, while Millar, of Greenbank Road, also Darlington, admitted conspiracy to rob.

The suspected co-conspirator in the second incident has gone on the run and has not been traced by the police.

Detectives say they are still looking for him.

Metcalfe and Millar are expected to be sentenced at the end of this month once background reports have been prepared on them by Probation Service officials.

It is understood that in written basis of pleas put before Teesside Crown Court, they each blame the other for being the main instigator of the bungled plot.

Metcalfe said yesterday that she had been working briefly as a prostitute and had been sharing earnings with a pimp, whose idea it was to stage the robbery.

Her barrister, Richard Herrmann, said Millar was placed with her by the pimp, and she had no idea he was planning to arm himself with such lethal weapons."

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I am pretty sure HOD dont do that.

I have worked with HOD for many years, I've never seen happen when I've been hooking or maiding.

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This case springs to mind:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/5043206.Brothel_shock_for_bungling_robbers/

"A COUPLE who planned to rob a punter who had gone to a brothel for a "massage" picked on the wrong target - a burly soldier fresh from basic training.

Bungling pair Joanne Metcalfe and Alexander Millar had no idea they were luring a fitness fanatic and fighting machine to her parlour in an upstairs flat in Darlington.

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http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/6254809.Prostitute_jailed_for_plot_to_attack_and_rob_punter//

A PROSTITUTE who plotted to steal from punters who visited her brothel sobbed yesterday as she was locked up for three years.

An accomplice in one of the botched plans was sent to a young offenders' institution for 18 months.

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http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/6254809.Prostitute_jailed_for_plot_to_attack_and_rob_punter//

A PROSTITUTE who plotted to steal from punters who visited her brothel sobbed yesterday as she was locked up for three years.

An accomplice in one of the botched plans was sent to a young offenders' institution for 18 months.

Good to see some justice although they both should of got longer IMO. People like this are pure scum.

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Hi,

you were told this, on the phone, why don't you ask them?

If he asked them on the phone that is asking them surely

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