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Swedish report on prostitution law out

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Unless something has been lost in the translation, the report appears to be suggesting more than just criminalisation of purchasers!!!!

Quote " Further research is needed here on who purchases sexual services, and suitable treatment methods".

"Treatment methods" ?????

Hopefully, this just refers to a course of sex therapy for clients on their equivalent of the NHS, but goodness only knows!

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The state knows what is best for you:(

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Swedish report on prostitution law out, as could be expected lends support to criminalisation of purchasers.

http://www.lauraagustin.com/ban-on-purchase-of-sex-helps-prevent-and-combat-prostitution-says-swedish-evaluation

I'm not sure that the report totally lends itself to support further criminalisation as you suggest, Elrond.

The problem with all such reports, particularly when they are substantially based on uncorroborated data, is that people will interpret them as best suits their own agendas. I'm probably doing that now, but in trying to be a bit objective, my observations on their conclusions are:

No surprise that street prostitution has halved. I'm sure the same would happen here, and many would argue, even on this board, that that is no bad thing.

Internet prostitution (pretty much what we're all involved in here) has increased in Sweden, but not commensurate with the reduction in street prostitution and no faster than in comparable (Nordic) countries. So no surprise here either in my opinion as the target market in the two cases is totally different.

Other indoor prostitution (massage parlours, sex clubs etc.) hasn't increased, whilst there's a suggestion that it has in other Nordic countries.

The overall effect is that the Swedish legislation has halted the overall increase in prostitution but not reduced it.

The report admits that insofar as human trafficking for sexual purposes is concerned, they (the Swedes) don't have a handle on its magnitude, but consider (assume?) that it is smaller in scale there than in other comparable countries. (Although the evidence here in the UK suggests - to me, anyway - that it's pretty small here as well.)

So, all in all, I conclude that the Swedish legislation has had a positive effect on street prostitution and pretty much a zero effect elsewhere. (But maybe that's because that's what I want to believe!)

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Unless something has been lost in the translation, the report appears to be suggesting more than just criminalisation of purchasers!!!!

Quote " Further research is needed here on who purchases sexual services, and suitable treatment methods".

"Treatment methods" ?????

Hopefully, this just refers to a course of sex therapy for clients on their equivalent of the NHS, but goodness only knows!

http://www.punternet.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://www.punternet.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Oh I'd say a bit of ECT might cure it.....

Here you go: http://www.ectron.co.uk/Electroconvulsive_Therapy_ECT/

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Unless something has been lost in the translation, the report appears to be suggesting more than just criminalisation of purchasers!!!!

Quote " Further research is needed here on who purchases sexual services, and suitable treatment methods".

"Treatment methods" ?????

Hopefully, this just refers to a course of sex therapy for clients on their equivalent of the NHS, but goodness only knows!

http://www.punternet.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://www.punternet.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

One recalls the previous (&, of course, highly successful) policy of treating gays.....

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Unless something has been lost in the translation, the report appears to be suggesting more than just criminalisation of purchasers!!!!

Quote " Further research is needed here on who purchases sexual services, and suitable treatment methods".

"Treatment methods" ?????

Hopefully, this just refers to a course of sex therapy for clients on their equivalent of the NHS, but goodness only knows!

http://www.punternet.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://www.punternet.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

The report was very much that a women in prostitution was a victim. So yes I can see from that view we clients are deviants, and that treatment might be in order. Might save me some money though.

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Oh I'd say a bit of ECT might cure it.....

Here you go: http://www.ectron.co.uk/Electroconvulsive_Therapy_ECT/

Arrgghhh! I was rather hoping for a somewhat more progressive solution which would both eliminate sex trafficking and coercion overnight in Sweden whilst delivering massive public health and therapeutic benefits at the same time. e.g. Providing free sexual services in special treatment centres under their NHS with highly skilled, well paid experts.

Well, it seems like a good idea to me anyway!!:mad::D

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Too many arguments of the type "it's difficult to get accurate statistics but from the little available evidence it must be working". A very generic report that leaves a lot of holes in it's conclusions that are framed to support the views of the radfem infiltration into power. Seems to me that she should have concluded from the little available evidence she was able to gather and take into account that it wasn't possible to reach a conclusion.

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Swedish report on prostitution law out, as could be expected lends support to criminalisation of purchasers.

http://www.lauraagustin.com/ban-on-purchase-of-sex-helps-prevent-and-combat-prostitution-says-swedish-evaluation

A critique.

http://www.lauraagustin.com/behind-the-happy-face-of-the-swedish-anti-prostitution-law

Sexworkers themselves are listed as sources, but they seem to have been forgotten until quite late. They are called, in a discriminatory manner, ‘exploited persons’ (p. 126-127). A total of 14 persons from two organisations filled out a questionnaire: about half were active sexworkers from Rose Alliance, the other half former sexworkers from PRIS. The findings from this research were a foregone conclusion anyway: active sexworkers are said to be unaware of their own exploitation and former sexworkers to be happy with criminalisation. What Skarhed doesn’t mention is that PRIS’s very few members had already declared themselves in favour of the law.

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We don't work with harm reduction in Sweden. Because that's not the way Sweden looks upon this. We look upon it that this is a ban on prostitution, there should be no prostitution." Anna Skarhed

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We don't work with harm reduction in Sweden. Because that's not the way Sweden looks upon this. We look upon it that this is a ban on prostitution, there should be no prostitution." Anna Skarhed

Oh, and she proposes that the maximum penalty is increased to 1 year in jail, instead of 6 months.

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We don't work with harm reduction in Sweden. Because that's not the way Sweden looks upon this. We look upon it that this is a ban on prostitution, there should be no prostitution." Anna Skarhed

And nor, in that land of social 'democratic' perfection are they very interested to hear what prostitutes are saying----- this interview clip has been on Pnet before but is worth re-posting, precisely because it is so rational and so well constructed

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Lots of Swedish prostitutes moved across to Denmark as it was easier to do.

The taxi drivers on the bridge between Denmark and Sweden have a game they call 'Spot the punter' coming across from Sweden..

Bad bad law, they have just moved the industry across the sea, not gotten rid of it.

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And nor, in that land of social 'democratic' perfection are they very interested to hear what prostitutes are saying----- this interview clip has been on Pnet before but is worth re-posting, precisely because it is so rational and so well constructed

Sweden has a conservative/liberal government, just like another country I could mention ;)

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Sweden has a conservative/liberal government, just like another country I could mention ;)

But the law was passed in 1998 by a Social Democratic Government at the instigation of a Social Democratic woman MP!

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But the law was passed in 1998 by a Social Democratic Government at the instigation of a Social Democratic woman MP!

...and those parties who now want to make the law stricter with harsher punishment voted against it,

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a good piece from Stephen Paterson:

English and Welsh kerb crawling law has been punishing punters on the streets for 25 years – more than twice as long as Sweden. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt might be the appropriate message from Blighty.

And where has it led us? Well, one thing our army of academics tell us is that it doesn’t work

The Swedish evaluation then turns to internet prostitution, saying:

In the last five years, Internet prostitution has increased in Sweden, Denmark and Norway. However, the scale of this form of prostitution is more extensive in our neighbouring countries, and there is nothing to indicate that a greater increase in prostitution over the Internet has occurred in Sweden…

“Nothing to indicate” is, of course, another way of saying they haven’t a clue.

Stockholm is well towards the south of Sweden, and thus one of its warmer areas. In February, the temperatures in Stockholm plunge to between minus one and minus four Celsius. In other words, it’s bleedin’ freezin’, and doesn’t get much better than distinctly chilly even in the height of summer. Sexually transmitted diseases are arguably not as big a threat to male members as frost bite.

Little wonder, then, that Stockholm’s red light area consists of but a single street – Malmskillnadsgaden- where, during winter, after picking up sex workers, presumably clients would have to leave them for several hours in a bath to thoroughly defrost. Which, at £40 or so an hour, may prove somewhat expensive

http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/the-swedish-sex-law-%e2%80%98we%e2%80%99re-sorry-we-haven%e2%80%99t-a-clue%e2%80%99-report-or-how-to-make-the-channel-tunnel-profitable/

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Swedish report on prostitution law out, as could be expected lends support to criminalisation of purchasers.

http://www.lauraagustin.com/ban-on-purchase-of-sex-helps-prevent-and-combat-prostitution-says-swedish-evaluation

Another post from Laura debunking the report. The report apparently mentions that Denmark has had a marked increase in street prostitution, while Sweden has reduced, thus endorsing Swedish law.

Apparently the figures are bogus, and according to the Danish police and sexworkers the numbers have also reduced in Sweden.

http://www.lauraagustin.com/swedish-report-based-on-wrong-danish-numbers-for-street-prostitution

Reden has claimed that there are more than 1200 sexworkers in the streets of Copenhagen. Estimates from the police and Reden International suggest that the number is only around 200. In

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Another post from Laura debunking the report. The report apparently mentions that Denmark has had a marked increase in street prostitution, while Sweden has reduced, thus endorsing Swedish law.

Apparently the figures are bogus, and according to the Danish police and sexworkers the numbers have also reduced in Sweden.

http://www.lauraagustin.com/swedish-report-based-on-wrong-danish-numbers-for-street-prostitution

http://www.si.se/upload/Human%20Trafficking/Targeting%20the%20sex%20buyer.pdf

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