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Calling a spade a spade

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On another thread (and many that have gone before it :eek:) a core of posters persistently rail against the use of terms such as Escort or Working Girl, insisting that Prostitute is the only word to use. They sometimes do that to be vexatious (although, I often suspect, with a subconcious degree of misogyny), but they are doomed to the way of the dinosaur. Language constantly evolves and the meanings of words change. Those who fought against the new use of the word gay, for example, have lost their battle. Homosexual is, of course, the correct word but it is cold and bureaucratic in its use – hence the change. Prostitute falls into the same category.

The extent to which the terms Escort and Working Girl have fallen into common usage are demonstrated by these dictionary entries from three different sources.

Escort

Euphemistic – a prostitute

(OED)

A person, esp a young woman, who may be hired to accompany another for entertainment, etc. (you may interpret the etc. as you wish :eek:)

(Collins English Dictionary)

A person, often a prostitute, who is hired to spend time with another as a companion

(American Heritage Dictionary)

Working Girl

Euphemistic – a prostitute

(OED)

Informal – a prostitute

(Collins English Dictionary)

Slang – a woman prostitute

(American Heritage Dictionary)

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I must be a working girl then as I'm not young any more :eek:

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I guess "cortigiane oneste" is out of the question then...

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Dear Miss Kitty .......if you want to be entitled as a a cortigaina oneste ........then go for it !! ...I'm sure Woking / Bracknell and Kensington will get used to the idea eventually !!

I'll vouch for you anytime !!..you have all the necessary attributes and charms !! ( apart perhaps, from being in Venice!)

....and if your in need of a " cicisbeo" at anytime at all .... do let me know and I'll be round like a shot !

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Well the term used is a reflection of the person using it, not of the person it is being used on.

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Well I'm a escort

Can't be a working girl because I enjoy it so much so how can i call it work ? :eek:

It is possible to have a job of work that you enjoy. I love all the jobs that I do and they are all very different. Having said that, some days I enjoy the work more than others, but it is the variety that makes it exciting. No cobwebs to dust off here.

I had to delete the originals of these as they contained an insult for which infractions were awarded.

Play nice!

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On another thread (and many that have gone before it :eek:) a core of posters persistently rail against the use of terms such as Escort or Working Girl, insisting that Prostitute is the only word to use. They sometimes do that to be vexatious (although, I often suspect, with a subconcious degree of misogyny), but they are doomed to the way of the dinosaur. Language constantly evolves and the meanings of words change. Those who fought against the new use of the word gay, for example, have lost their battle. Homosexual is, of course, the correct word but it is cold and bureaucratic in its use – hence the change. Prostitute falls into the same category.

The extent to which the terms Escort and Working Girl have fallen into common usage are demonstrated by these dictionary entries from three different sources.

Escort

Euphemistic – a prostitute

(OED)

A person, esp a young woman, who may be hired to accompany another for entertainment, etc. (you may interpret the etc. as you wish :eek:)

(Collins English Dictionary)

A person, often a prostitute, who is hired to spend time with another as a companion

(American Heritage Dictionary)

Working Girl

Euphemistic – a prostitute

(OED)

Informal – a prostitute

(Collins English Dictionary)

Slang – a woman prostitute

(American Heritage Dictionary)

You make a good comparison IMO. Gay is the term most commonly used in my experience nowadays and as you say Homosexual is a cold term, it might be technically the correct word but we have moved on.

Similar with prostitute, its technically correct but i use WG, i prefer it and will continue to use it to describe any prostitute. Some on here use prostitute as it is calling a spade a spade which i dont see as a problem myself, but others use it as a put down and insult to provoke a reaction, i dont agree with that personally. The context words are used in is of course crucial and that needs to be taken into account in my view.

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I don't much like working girl, because I hear 'girl' and I think 'underage'. Would you call a man in his 20s a boy? Probably not. Certainly when the word girl is used to describe a prostitute in her 30s 40s or older it is rediculous! Prostitute is the word I use to describe myself, my close friends use hooker, whore, or WG, and in my advertising I use escort because that's what people search for.

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Is it not/isn't it?

Innit?

Sex

S**g

Willy

C**k

Escort

WG

I could go on but wont :eek:

They may all mean the same thing but some words are more palatable than others. Profanity/vulgarity does not come naturally to me [cannot even bring myself to type the words] so you will usually find me opt for the 'nicer' terms. Blame it on my upbringing. In my days, in school, we would have our mouths washed out with soap. I much prefer being old school :eek:

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On another thread (and many that have gone before it :eek:) a core of posters persistently rail against the use of terms such as Escort or Working Girl, insisting that Prostitute is the only word to use. They sometimes do that to be vexatious (although, I often suspect, with a subconcious degree of misogyny), but they are doomed to the way of the dinosaur. Language constantly evolves and the meanings of words change. Those who fought against the new use of the word gay, for example, have lost their battle. Homosexual is, of course, the correct word but it is cold and bureaucratic in its use – hence the change. Prostitute falls into the same category.

The extent to which the terms Escort and Working Girl have fallen into common usage are demonstrated by these dictionary entries from three different sources.

It depends on context but to me the word prostitute, as well as the formal word, is also the most encompassing word and includes independents, Agency, Parlour and street girls. To me it means all prostitutes, not to be misogynous. I might use the term working girl, as an alternative, but mainly to stop my writing sounding monotonous by re-using the same words repeatedly.

To me Escort implies she works (wholly or partly) outcall.

Courtesan is pretentious, specifically when used as the by-line or self description (I can see why it might appear in text on a website for search engine optimisation purposes).

How about hooker?

Unless you have an American accent, I would assume you were talking about a rugby player.

... calling a spade a spade ...

A tool for digging.

but others use it as a put down and insult to provoke a reaction, i dont agree with that personally. The context words are used in is of course crucial and that needs to be taken into account in my view.

Agreed, context is all.

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I don't undestand the grammatic pedantry of some people about the using the term 'prostitute'. As a technicality, it's correct, but only nature that it is an old, established word for a woman (or man) who offer sexual service for payment. However, it's also a harsh sounding word, with far more negative connotations that 'escort'. And we live in the 21st century now. It can be used as an insult, much like the term 'whore', again a word with very negative connotations, whereas 'escort' or similar, would seldom be used as a insulting term.

Yes, by definition, escorts, courtesans, etc, are by definition 'prostitutes', but the word in itself is a demeaning term. It's just a definition or an insult. I don't understand the sheer pedantry and insistence by some people that this is the only word you're allowed to use. "Because that's all they are. A spade is a spade." Yes, but it's an insulting word, a degrading word. A word used as an insult. It's just a rather ugly word, that's all. If people don't want to use it, or refer to themselves as an escort, then why not? It's not the end of the world.

Maybe it's a little out of context, but I was watching this on youtube the other day. Let it load and skip to 4.50 before you start saying "it's political correctness gone mad".

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Go to Youtube and search for Stewart Lee Political Correctness Gone Mad. From the point of 4 minutes and 57 seconds, Stewart Lee addresses this exact problem. Great finish to the joke.

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Ive never liked the term prostitute. It gives people (mainly the ones ignorant of the business) images that its just girls on drugs stood on street corners. When infact there are so many different sides to the paying for sex business, that 1 word cant really sum it up

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We men are fortunate as we get called 'punters'.

However the posters on here who use the word 'prostitute', maybe need their own name, one that can be used as degrogatory in use as the word 'prostitute' is often used.

How about 'Domwup'

Dirty Old Man Who Uses Prostitutes.

Any more suggestions?

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Call me perverse but I love the name whore :D " As in I am your whore, let us explore your perversities my darling'" and I am not adverse to WG or escort. Something about prostitute annoys me though, it just sounds so cheap. As I no way market myself or have the type of client who would wish to use me as a vending machine I believe that thinking they are or calling them a punter is demeaning. I have lovely clients and I greatly enjoy being their whore, the lady who does everything their wife won't but still commands their respect ;):);)

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We men are fortunate as we get called 'punters'.

However the posters on here who use the word 'prostitute', maybe need their own name, one that can be used as degrogatory in use as the word 'prostitute' is often used.

How about 'Domwup'

Dirty Old Man Who Uses Prostitutes.

Any more suggestions?

So the term 'prostitute' is OK as long as it's used by, or to describe people you are scathing about. I see.

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Prostitute is what I am, but I prefer to be called an escort, everyone knows its the same thing but just sounds much nicer.

Shelly :)

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I don't much like working girl, because I hear 'girl' and I think 'underage'. Would you call a man in his 20s a boy? Probably not. Certainly when the word girl is used to describe a prostitute in her 30s 40s or older it is rediculous! Prostitute is the word I use to describe myself, my close friends use hooker, whore, or WG, and in my advertising I use escort because that's what people search for.

They are more up-to-date down under in Australia - it is working lady or WL there - working girl is so annoying..

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Is it not/isn't it?

Profanity/vulgarity does not come naturally to me ... Blame it on my upbringing. In my days, in school, we would have our mouths washed out with soap.

Yes, same here. Well, Father John said it was soap. It tasted like pineapple juice to me.

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2 hour escape .....

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Society as a whole appears to disapprove of prostitution, so any word used to describe the women involved almost becomes an insult. I admire girls who call themselves 'whores' - it's a very ancient Early English word, in common use in Anglo-Saxon times, as was 'cunt' which I prefer to the twee 'pussy'; in my experience women are reclaiming these old words, good for them! I like WG as well, it sounds respectful and not salacious. 'Hooker' is just awful and demeaning. 'Escort' doesn't actually describe the services I go to WGs for, so i don't like that either.

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To me Escort implies she works (wholly or partly) outcall.).

Well that covers most indies, most agency, some parlour and all street girls

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I've been thinking about this one for some time before deciding to post on the matter, because I wasn't sure which stance I was coming from and why I felt the way I did. I think I have kind of put it into perspective now though, so this is my view point.

To me, when I think of a prostitute I think of someone who lacks choice. She is often led into the situation and has little control in who she sees and when. This may be a very old fashioned view, but please allow for my fairly sheltered life, having never met, what I would deem to be a prostitute.

My knowledge of parlour girls is equally poor, as I don't know what their situation is other that I imagine it is a lot safer. I don't think they have much choice as to who they meet, but I also assume they have set hours, which are agreed mutually and there is much less pressure than someone who walks the street, as in they may approach the parlour, as appossed to being led into it and have some form of agreement? They also work in a much nicer environment. I guess bearing this in mind, I may still be tempted to use the label of 'prostitute'.

An escort has direct communication with the punter and is able to decide for herself who she wants to meet and when she is available and does not guarantee sex. As in, if the punter turns up and for one reason or another she is not happy she can decline the money and happily close the door behind him. They are also able to attend functions, dinner dates and generally be more versatile. She is also in control of her own websites and publicity and her work hours may well vary depending on her lifestyle. She also decides what her rates are and the whole monies go to her, which she can either reinvest in her work/service or spend as she likes.

I'm absolutely sure I have many preconceptions that are way off line, so I'm not looking at this blinkered, just this is where I am at the moment with my thoughts. The common denominator is sex, but it's how it is presented that differs and who is in control.

I am ready for some critiscism, but can you make it constructive rather than scathing please :)

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We men are fortunate as we get called 'punters'.

However the posters on here who use the word 'prostitute', maybe need their own name, one that can be used as degrogatory in use as the word 'prostitute' is often used.

How about 'Domwup'

Dirty Old Man Who Uses Prostitutes.

Any more suggestions?

I have a suggestion, what about posters who post derogatory comments about well respected WGs just because they happen to have punted with a punter a poster doesnt seem to get on with. What should they be called, ring a bell???

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