Chloe Kisses

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This is just a hypothetical question for both guys and ladies alike.

Where i work there is a fantastic feeling of friendship amongst the ladies i work with and the owner. Obviously we know it is a place of work and behave accordingly but it is a nice feeling waking up on a morning and being happy that you are going to work and that you are going to be among freindly faces whom you can chat and laugh with in between bookings. The owner is a very caring lady who cares about the wellbeing of her employees.

This is not the case in all parlours though from what i hear, i have heard of ladies not daring to leave parlours because the owner has threatened that they will ensure the girl cannot work elsewhere in the town, girls being slapped and called all kinds of nasty names.

Personally i think this is a shamefull disgraceful abuse of power, obviously people who do behave in this way are in some way lacking in moral fiber of any sort. It is one thing to make a living off the backs of other people so long as it is a mutaully agreeable situation, but another entirely to treat the people who are paying your rent and buying your designer handbags and actually doing all the hard work like shit.

Now, my questions to you are as follows..

A) Ladies, have you ever found yourself trapped in such a situation or made a hasty exit from a parlour or agency when you found that the owner is a nasty piece of work.

:rolleyes: Guys, if your favourite lady (who gave you a boner just at the thought of her) was working from such an establishment, perhaps you were given the heads up during pillow talk or you heard shouting coming from another room, would you in all concience be able to continue to visit such a place or would you just think, oh well, and continue to line the pockets of a person of such low attitudes.

By the way please do not ask me to name and shame as i do not know the names of these places, just heard the stories.

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Chloe, in answer to your question - I would hope I would have the self discipline to stop going to any establishment that didn't treat their employees or partners in the right way but if I really had the "hots" for a particular lady I am not sure I would. I have never com across the problem, the establishments I visit all seem to treat their WG's properly, the ladies tell me how much they enjoy working there etc, exactly as you describe.

Weak I know but hopefully honest.

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Chloe, in answer to your question - I would hope I would have the self discipline to stop going to any establishment that didn't treat their employees or partners in the right way but if I really had the "hots" for a particular lady I am not sure I would. I have never com across the problem, the establishments I visit all seem to treat their WG's properly, the ladies tell me how much they enjoy working there etc, exactly as you describe.

Weak I know but hopefully honest.

Thankyou for your honest answer.

I fear that some ladies would be too scared to tell anyone and just battle on regardless thinking wrongly that they have to put up with this kind of abuse.

I would like to point out that the majority of ladies i know have never worked anywhere like the ones i have described, some though have and im sure some still do.

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I have never actually used a parlour, preferring to go with independent ladies who, as far as I am aware, have all been self-employed. However, I would never knowingly visit any lady or establishment where it appeared there was any element of coercion involved, irrespective of how attractive I found the girl concerned. I hope I might in that hypothetical situation have the courage to do more than just turn my back, but of course that's a very easy thing to say.

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This is just a hypothetical question for both guys and ladies alike.

Where i work there is a fantastic feeling of friendship amongst the ladies i work with and the owner. Obviously we know it is a place of work and behave accordingly but it is a nice feeling waking up on a morning and being happy that you are going to work and that you are going to be among freindly faces whom you can chat and laugh with in between bookings. The owner is a very caring lady who cares about the wellbeing of her employees.

This is not the case in all parlours though from what i hear, i have heard of ladies not daring to leave parlours because the owner has threatened that they will ensure the girl cannot work elsewhere in the town, girls being slapped and called all kinds of nasty names.

Personally i think this is a shamefull disgraceful abuse of power, obviously people who do behave in this way are in some way lacking in moral fiber of any sort. It is one thing to make a living off the backs of other people so long as it is a mutaully agreeable situation, but another entirely to treat the people who are paying your rent and buying your designer handbags and actually doing all the hard work like shit.

Now, my questions to you are as follows..

A) Ladies, have you ever found yourself trapped in such a situation or made a hasty exit from a parlour or agency when you found that the owner is a nasty piece of work.

:rolleyes: Guys, if your favourite lady (who gave you a boner just at the thought of her) was working from such an establishment, perhaps you were given the heads up during pillow talk or you heard shouting coming from another room, would you in all concience be able to continue to visit such a place or would you just think, oh well, and continue to line the pockets of a person of such low attitudes.

By the way please do not ask me to name and shame as i do not know the names of these places, just heard the stories.

I definately would immediately stop going and see if i could arrange to see the lady Indie. I would also consider naming and shaming the establishment on here but it would depend on what i had experienced. Those that do such things are pure scum in my view.:eek:

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I definately would immediately stop going and see if i could arrange to see the lady Indie. I would also consider naming and shaming the establishment on here but it would depend on what i had experienced. Those that do such things are pure scum in my view.:rolleyes:

If the lady was working in a place under coercion, encouraging her to go indie could be very dangerous - agree with you about scum, but how do you deal with them?

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but it is a nice feeling waking up on a morning and being happy that you are going to work and that you are going to be among freindly faces whom you can chat and laugh with in between bookings. The owner is a very caring lady who cares about the wellbeing of her employees.

Even in workplaces where I've gotten along well with colleagues, I have never been happy at the thought of going to work, so this bit made me chuckle, when you consider people like Harmen and Bindle think all you girls are being degraded and forced into doing something you don't want to do :rolleyes:

In answer to your question, I just wouldn't feel comfortable seeing a girl if I thought she was under any sort of duress whatsoever, which is my main reason for always seeing independent girls rather than parlour girls. If she was so amazing that I just couldn't stand the thought of not seeing her again, then at the very least I would make it clear to her that I would much prefer it if she worked elsewhere or went independent, and suggest that she perhaps sound out the views of any other regulars.

Stuff like this is exactly why the sex industry needs better regulation though, rather than trying to force it ever more underground. Girls shouldn't feel scared in their place of work.

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From experience you have to take everything you hear about other agencies with a pinch of salt unless you experience it first hand yourself.

Girls came to work for Divine who after time admitted they wished they'd joined earlier but were told that Mr Divine had a penchant for using a cattle prod or that Mrs Divine was off her gorgeous tits on coke all day. Such rumours were normally traced to girls who had worked previously for us and had been sacked for theft or by jealous competitors.

People seem to forget that no one is under contract to work anywhere, sure there are 'house rules' but if someone does not like them then they are free to leave.

What annoys me is that there are agencies that are still trading today that are run by career criminals who have readily indulged in scare tactics to enforce their presence. We found this out for ourselves during or recent spell in Bedford.

If someone was to turn whistleblower most clients would refuse to believe you, as they say if they're getting satisfaction they'll turn a blind eye.

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In addition we've had people leave us in the past and publicly demonise us on other message boards and forums only to come back and work for us again in the future.

If we were that bad why did they come back or was it just a case of sour grapes in the first place?

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I definately would immediately stop going and see if i could arrange to see the lady Indie. I would also consider naming and shaming the establishment on here but it would depend on what i had experienced. Those that do such things are pure scum in my view.:rolleyes:

I am all for naming and shaming and I probably know the names Chloe wants to put up but where does it end and is one persons word proof ?

We had the police come to our home address 3 weeks ago to inform us that someone in the industry had put out a contract to have us killed. Sounds incredible and the stuff of fantasy but sadly not, if the police officer had not made us sign a Osman's ruling I would not have believed it myself.

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If the lady was working in a place under coercion, encouraging her to go indie could be very dangerous - agree with you about scum, but how do you deal with them?

Coercion is a different matter. As a punter i have no way of knowing for definate who is being Coerced unless she tells me, all i can do is make the best judgement i can.

Any WG could for example have a partner Coercing her and who she is forced to give her earnings to for him to snort up his nose or piss away in other ways, who knows what really goes on behind closed doors.

I cant deal with the scum who run some establishments, its ultimately up to plod to pull their finger out and do their job, the best i could do is inform them of what i know either anoynomously through Crimestoppers or by ringing the plod in the relevant area.

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If someone was to turn whistleblower most clients would refuse to believe you, as they say if they're getting satisfaction they'll turn a blind eye.

This is true, personally i cannot name and shame whom i do not know but the chances are some guys would suspect a girl naming and shaming would have an ulterior motive.

I think there have been enough ladies championing HOD on here for the guys to realise that you run a respectable establishment, me included.xxx

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I am all for naming and shaming and I probably know the names Chloe wants to put up but where does it end and is one persons word proof ?

We had the police come to our home address 3 weeks ago to inform us that someone in the industry had put out a contract to have us killed. Sounds incredible and the stuff of fantasy but sadly not, if the police officer had not made us sign a Osman's ruling I would not have believed it myself.

Obviously this is merely a small forum in the scheme of things, naming and shaming would i assume cause problems for Galahad and the Mods unless proof is given. IMO one person can appear trustworthy but others would be required to back the first person up.

I know from personal experience that WGs often dont want to go to plod, they might not of told their families and friends what they do etc, the nasty SPs and indeed punters know this and exploit it. Its a big downside of this industry not being like others, open and regulated. I appreciate many WGs would still be wary of going to plod even if this did happen as telling their families would rip there lives apart. I punted with one lady who had worked for you among other places for a while in 2008 who was having to flee abroad as she simply couldnt face her friends and family after some nasty fucker outed her to them.

I am sorry to hear about this contract, i dont doubt this must be very scarey, i have been threatened in business myself but not to this extent. Why would someone want to see you dead, jealousy, revenge, getting their own back as they see it, its complete and utter madness, not much i can say to such a very serious thing but take care and look after yourselves.:rolleyes:

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Obviously this is merely a small forum in the scheme of things, naming and shaming would i assume cause problems for Galahad and the Mods unless proof is given. IMO one person can appear trustworthy but others would be required to back the first person up.

I know from personal experience that WGs often dont want to go to plod, they might not of told their families and friends what they do etc, the nasty SPs and indeed punters know this and exploit it. Its a big downside of this industry not being like others, open and regulated. I appreciate many WGs would still be wary of going to plod even if this did happen as telling their families would rip there lives apart. I punted with one lady who had worked for you among other places for a while in 2008 who was having to flee abroad as she simply couldnt face her friends and family after some nasty fucker outed her to them.

I am sorry to hear about this contract, i dont doubt this must be very scarey, i have been threatened in business myself but not to this extent. Why would someone want to see you dead, jealousy, revenge, getting their own back as they see it, its complete and utter madness, not much i can say to such a very serious thing but take care and look after yourselves.:rolleyes:

Yes it is scary and to be honest it really knocked the wind out of our sails. I can only think of one person in this world that I wish harm to and they seriously and intentionally ruined my life and to top it all they did it with relish and satisfaction.

There is no explanation for someone wanting you dead this is the bit we struggled with. The police obviously wanted us to list anyone that we could have upset enough for this but to be honest we just lead normal lives and run a business so how can you explain it away.

I guess some people just get carried away with the whole gangster element, these are the people that bring the industry to shame but like you say most WG's will not report them so they continue to prosper. I guess these are the people that have to put out contracts on you as their usual bullying and violence has not stopped us trading.

P.S don't tell my ex husband that their is a contract out for us as he would do it for a tenner.

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...if the police officer had not made us sign a Osman's ruling I would not have believed it myself.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is an "Osman's ruling"?

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Forgive my ignorance, but what is an "Osman's ruling"?

Osmans warning - A warning by the Police that they have credible information that somebody intends to do you severe harm. You sign it. Police can't then be sued for negligence in not telling you about the risk. Police are then free to stop people from driving at 32mph in a 30 zone, or prevent kids and tourists from taking photos of public buildings.

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Forgive my ignorance, but what is an "Osman's ruling"?

It's the police technical term for sign this so that we can have it on record that we have covered our arses and told you that we have intelligence that someone wants to kill you. It means that when one of us is killed it is our own fault for not being careful and not the police as they warned us.

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My very first experience of this industry wasnt exactly a pleasant one, well not in relation to the owner anyway (the clients were lovely).

Having never worked before I rather nievely met the owner at a meeting point and allowed him to drive me to the house. I should add as stupid as this may sound it was my decision as I wasnt very good with directions and had to tackle the A3 to get there, which at the time was terrifying for me.

He drove me to the house, showed me how to make up the bed etc. He told me to go downstairs and get myself ready and come back up in 5 minutes. He called me back upstairs and there he was lying stark bollock naked on the bed saying if I wanted to do the job I had to do him first. It wasnt exactly pleasant especially as I didnt really have the option of leaving but after that the job itself was a walk in the park. I spent the day more traumatised about him than the job but £300 in my pocket at the end of the day soon made up for it.

For this guy it wasnt so much about the money he made (he was fair with his fees) but what else he could get out of it. I put up with it for longer than you might expect mainly because as I started to drive myself to work I was consciously avoiding him. His demands became more regular and more demanding. He used a system of NGN numbers so if you refused him, he would simply disconnect your phone until you went to see him to pay your "subs".

The final straw for me was when he started demanding bareback, I should add I never obligued but when it all got too much and I stopped calling him to arrange work he started calling me non stop. He continued to harrass me for a few weeks when I finally answered the phone to tell him to leave me alone he told me that I owed him £2500 and if I wanted to leave I had better pay up or he would send photgraphs of me to my parents. I didnt have anything like that sort of money so he of course offered to let me pay him in kind. At the time I thought the world had ended. I cried my eyes out to Woking CID who politely told me unless I was prepared to go to court and press formal charges they could do absolutely nothing to help me and couldnt protect my identity as the local papers loved stories like this.

Sufice to say I gave him what he wanted (it wasnt the money) and he gave me the negatives. I never heard from him or saw him again but to this day feel physically sick when I drive through his village. I have no idea if he is still there.

That sort of thing is less common now than it used to be... I havent heard a story like that in a couple of years but it certainly used to be the norm with men running small parlours.

It was never anything I discussed with my clients, my problems with the owner and my time with the clients was seperate so no one would have known unless the other girls ever said anything. (he used to keep all the girls seperate so we couldnt discuss things between us)

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That sort of thing is less common now than it used to be... I havent heard a story like that in a couple of years but it certainly used to be the norm with men running small parlours.

I heard similar things about this guy ( Mayfair escorts - South Wales) but it wasn't until it got to Court that I realised that he was recruiting 14 year old girls.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/10556454.stm

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I once went to a parlour that has a good reputation, on my first visit there I was treated like a piece of something that you find on your shoe, even though I did find one of the ladies were very good, and have seen her elsewhere.

No matter what I said I knew I would get pelters from the board and the parlour, anyway I sent a pm to the parlour and started a thread on a board, needless to say the parlour fans didnt accept my reasonable request, so lessen learnt, dont speak out too much if your a lone voice, you wont get any thanks for it.

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:rolleyes: Guys, if your favourite lady (who gave you a boner just at the thought of her) was working from such an establishment, perhaps you were given the heads up during pillow talk or you heard shouting coming from another room, would you in all concience be able to continue to visit such a place or would you just think, oh well, and continue to line the pockets of a person of such low attitudes.

Not my problem i'm afraid and I wouldn't get involved. I'm paying good money to have a good time and trust that the WG was capable of making her own decisions as to where she wanted to work.

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From a punters point of view, I personally have had my fingers burned when believing everything that a lady tells me during a punt. It is a very difficult position to be put in, what exactly can a punter do to help rectify the situation. He (or she) could call the police but I'm sure in many cases this may only make the situation worse.

Unfortunately, and it pains me to say it, but I really think it is up to the lady to do something about her situation.

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I have never actually used a parlour, preferring to go with independent ladies who, as far as I am aware, have all been self-employed. However, I would never knowingly visit any lady or establishment where it appeared there was any element of coercion involved, irrespective of how attractive I found the girl concerned. I hope I might in that hypothetical situation have the courage to do more than just turn my back, but of course that's a very easy thing to say.

Where have you been? I have been doing your fluffy work for you with JRC on the "Paying 300 Pounds" thread during your absence.:D

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My very first experience of this industry wasnt exactly a pleasant one, well not in relation to the owner anyway (the clients were lovely).

Having never worked before I rather nievely met the owner at a meeting point and allowed him to drive me to the house. I should add as stupid as this may sound it was my decision as I wasnt very good with directions and had to tackle the A3 to get there, which at the time was terrifying for me.

He drove me to the house, showed me how to make up the bed etc. He told me to go downstairs and get myself ready and come back up in 5 minutes. He called me back upstairs and there he was lying stark bollock naked on the bed saying if I wanted to do the job I had to do him first. It wasnt exactly pleasant especially as I didnt really have the option of leaving but after that the job itself was a walk in the park. I spent the day more traumatised about him than the job but £300 in my pocket at the end of the day soon made up for it.

For this guy it wasnt so much about the money he made (he was fair with his fees) but what else he could get out of it. I put up with it for longer than you might expect mainly because as I started to drive myself to work I was consciously avoiding him. His demands became more regular and more demanding. He used a system of NGN numbers so if you refused him, he would simply disconnect your phone until you went to see him to pay your "subs".

The final straw for me was when he started demanding bareback, I should add I never obligued but when it all got too much and I stopped calling him to arrange work he started calling me non stop. He continued to harrass me for a few weeks when I finally answered the phone to tell him to leave me alone he told me that I owed him £2500 and if I wanted to leave I had better pay up or he would send photgraphs of me to my parents. I didnt have anything like that sort of money so he of course offered to let me pay him in kind. At the time I thought the world had ended. I cried my eyes out to Woking CID who politely told me unless I was prepared to go to court and press formal charges they could do absolutely nothing to help me and couldnt protect my identity as the local papers loved stories like this.

Sufice to say I gave him what he wanted (it wasnt the money) and he gave me the negatives. I never heard from him or saw him again but to this day feel physically sick when I drive through his village. I have no idea if he is still there.

That sort of thing is less common now than it used to be... I havent heard a story like that in a couple of years but it certainly used to be the norm with men running small parlours.

It was never anything I discussed with my clients, my problems with the owner and my time with the clients was seperate so no one would have known unless the other girls ever said anything. (he used to keep all the girls seperate so we couldnt discuss things between us)

Sasha, your story is simply incredible. I didn't realise that there were arseholes about like this. You must have been absolutely terrified.

I have used parlours and indies and the parlours have all been very well run especially HOD. Some parlours have been better than others but HOD must be the tops of all the parlours I have been to. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I have NEVER come across any sort of coercion and hope I never will. If I had the slightest hint a girl had been coerced I would definitely walk and, perhaps, do what I could to rectify the situation. Exactly how I do not know. I tend to stick the the parlours I know so I can't see any problems of that sort arising.

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I can put my hand on my heart and say that I have NEVER come across any sort of coercion and hope I never will. If I had the slightest hint a girl had been coerced I would definitely walk and, perhaps, do what I could to rectify the situation. Exactly how I do not know. I tend to stick the the parlours I know so I can't see any problems of that sort arising.

To be clear, I wasnt being coerced to work but rather demands had to be met so that I could work. I loved the work I did and the two sides I had to deal with were very different. I didnt leave straight away, in fact put up with the demands for about nine months and I wouldnt have put up with it for that long if I hadnt enjoyed the work.

I was incredibly nieve when I first started, I didnt know any different, it was only when the demands became more and more excesive that I tried to leave.

Im an idealist so will always try and find the posative (a fluffy I think the term is here) and what I learnt in that nine or so months has kept me safe and served me well ever since. Im not bitter as despite being in a less than desirable position right now it was a big part of my life that helped shape who I am today.

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