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Closure Notices/ Orders

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Thus far, I've found six premises nationally that have been closed under the new provisions of the Policing and Crime Act - five in the Met's area and one in Preston, Lancs. I wonder if anyone knows of others?

I list them here, where there's also a Home Office publication linked to that might be useful to anyone unfortunate enough to be in receipt of a closure notice:

http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/uk-brothel-closure-orders-guidance-notes-could-limit-damage/

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Six or so reported cases in the last 3 months doesn't seem a great deal bearing in mind that in December 2008 the government were stating that the Police expected to close 1200 brothels and prosecute 300 punters a year under the new Act.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-crackdown-on-prostitution-expected-to-close-1200-brothels-1210067.html

"Police expect to close up to 1,200 brothels and prosecute 300 men a year under new laws designed to crack down on prostitution. The figures are contained in official Home Office impact assessments produced to accompany the Policing and Crime Reduction Bill, due to be debated by MPs in the new year.

The Bill allows officers to close brothels and leave them sealed for up to three months. Previously, a loophole meant officers could stage a raid and make arrests but were powerless to close down the establishment.

Estimates published yesterday suggested that between 780 and 1,200 closure orders would be served each year.

The Bill contains a new offence of paying for sex with a prostitute controlled for gain, which is designed to target men by threatening them with court action if they use prostitutes who have been trafficked, are controlled by pimps or are working for drug dealers."

Brothels have been illegal in England & Wales since section 13 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 was first introduced. I've no doubt that more brothels have shut in the last 3 months due to "words of advice" from the Police, the usual brothel raids, and arrests under section 33A SOA1956 and/or section 53 SOA2003.

Personally I don't have any real problems with brothel closure orders. IMHO the Police should have the power to close down brothels in certain circumstances although defining those circumstances is always going to be a problem. In many cases the premises closure orders introduced by section 118 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 would suffice - primarily where there is persistent disorder or nuisance.

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Silverado - Yes, in that context half a dozen doesn't seem many, there could have been others that have passed beneath my radar or which simply haven't been reported in the media, of course. The magic words "up to" (1,200) a year are also very flexible. Maybe it was overselling to get the legislation through. Perhaps the Home Office guidance has restricted them a bit since then, or perhaps they're still reving up.

I believe some brothels were closed under the Disorderly Houses Act 1751, though the 1885 Act made closures much easier and common, enabling magistrates to do it.

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You make some interesting and relevant points in your article but at the end of the day I don't think that many owners will want to incur thousands of pounds arguing the issues in the Magistrates court - especially those whose assets are subject to a restraint order under the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002.

A large proportion of the relevant premises will be leased on short term leases not least because that prevents them being seized if a confiscation order is made under POCA.

I would suspect that many owners will just walk away and leave the landlord to clear up the mess. Historically that is what has often happened after premises have been raided.

You also need to remember that the landlord/freehold owner should himself have received a copy of the closure notice under section 136C(d). I think that most prudent landlords (including the dodgy ones) will consider starting forfeiture proceedings for breach of covenant (whether that be relating to illegality, immorality,nuisance or user) by serving notice under section 146 LPA1925.

For most recipients of notices it's just going to be easier to walk away and start up again in new premises. No doubt a fair proportion of those receiving closure notices will have been arrested for brothel keeping or controlling and are waiting to hear whether they will be charged for either or both offences. They may well be unwilling to show their hand by contesting a closure order in the Magistrates court. For them laying low and away from the business may well be a sensible course of action.

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I'm fairly sure the Home Office allowed for a contingency fund for "possible" compensatation to landlords during the passage of the CPA, though I don't see them rushing to pay out. Conversely, where the landlord will feature given frozen assets and demands by the state for fines and proceeds of crime outcomes, I wouldn't like to think.

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Personally I don't have any real problems with brothel closure orders. IMHO the Police should have the power to close down brothels in certain circumstances although defining those circumstances is always going to be a problem. In many cases the premises closure orders introduced by section 118 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 would suffice - primarily where there is persistent disorder or nuisance.

I'm not a great fan of brothels, but many of these so-called brothels will be flats where women work together. If women work together from a flat or a house and they get the profits and are not told what to do by a man (a 'pimp') then that's a good thing.

I don't like the idea of an affluent man setting up a brothel and he gets the profits and the women don't. I don't like the idea of women being told they have to service clients they don't like the look of, like drunk or smelly men.

I do like the idea of women keeping themselves safe.

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I'm not a great fan of brothels, but many of these so-called brothels will be flats where women work together. If women work together from a flat or a house and they get the profits and are not told what to do by a man (a 'pimp') then that's a good thing.

I don't like the idea of an affluent man setting up a brothel and he gets the profits and the women don't. I don't like the idea of women being told they have to service clients they don't like the look of, like drunk or smelly men.

I do like the idea of women keeping themselves safe.

While brothels are illegal, there will always be a high take by the owner to compensate for the risk.

Many women will work in brothels by choice for

1. Companionship and safety

2. All the advertising is done for them, websites, pictures

3. They can leave at the end of the day and go back to their family and won't jave to be organizing next days work.

4. Don;t have to rent work premises

I think you will find that in say MK, many independent escorts also spend time in brothels, because of some of the reasons above, and also because at a well run and advertised one like the ones set up by HOD, they can be extremely busy and profitable for everyone.

Everyone should have the right to choose how they work, and not every one is cut out to be an entrepreneur.

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Please excuse my ignorance but - bearing in mind the wise and valuable comments made - how can parlours still manage to advertise openly - giving full details of their location and rates and even clear photographs of their ladies?

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Please excuse my ignorance but - bearing in mind the wise and valuable comments made - how can parlours still manage to advertise openly - giving full details of their location and rates and even clear photographs of their ladies?

Because in some cities and towns the police and councils have a relaxed and tolerant attitude to brothels and parlours provided that there are no drugs, coerced or underage workers and no nuisance issues.

I live in Bristol. There are nearly 20 massage parlours within a half-hour walk of my house, all of which have shop-fronts and most of them have signage referring to "MASSAGE" or "SAUNA".

Up the M5 in Gloucestershire the Police take a hard line on brothels and prostitution and there are no massage parlours in Gloucester or Cheltenham.

Other areas that take a hard line include : Glasgow, Newcastle and Liverpool.

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Please excuse my ignorance but - bearing in mind the wise and valuable comments made - how can parlours still manage to advertise openly - giving full details of their location and rates and even clear photographs of their ladies?

As I understand it, there is no legislation that makes it illegal per se to advertise the sale of sexual services (not to be confused with the act of soliciting or carding etc.).

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Thus far, I've found six premises nationally that have been closed under the new provisions of the Policing and Crime Act - five in the Met's area and one in Preston, Lancs. I wonder if anyone knows of others?

I list them here, where there's also a Home Office publication linked to that might be useful to anyone unfortunate enough to be in receipt of a closure notice:

http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/uk-brothel-closure-orders-guidance-notes-could-limit-damage/

Another has been closed in Lancashire. The police were tipped off by residents and 2 illegal Chinese women were found. No arrests were made but they are investigating.

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Operation Monaco in the city of London ,resulted in a raid on a plush apartment in Aldgate.

A 35 year old citigroup banker was caught with his trousers down,but he wasn't charged.

All the city slickers arrested in Operatin Monaco were free without charge ,according to the Evening Standard ,5 Aug.

Apparantly the story was first reported by the News of the world.

Anyone heard of this ??????

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Operation Monaco in the city of London ,resulted in a raid on a plush apartment in Aldgate.

A 35 year old citigroup banker was caught with his trousers down,but he wasn't charged.

All the city slickers arrested in Operatin Monaco were free without charge ,according to the Evening Standard ,5 Aug.

Apparantly the story was first reported by the News of the world.

Anyone heard of this ??????

There is a thread about it in the General Discussion forum.

http://www.punternet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33302

It's also been mentioned in the Legalities Forum.

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Operation Monaco in the city of London ,resulted in a raid on a plush apartment in Aldgate.

A 35 year old citigroup banker was caught with his trousers down, but he wasn't charged.

One trusts our "free" press today to get things wrong if they can!

One of the (to me) (many) interesting points in "West End Girls" was that in the late 40's/early 50's a man could take his trousers off without removing his shoes! Not so today.

But seriously, I have no knowlege whatever of the "plush" apartment in Aldgate, but I'd have thought that Citigroup bankers on their pay scales would expect more than to drop their trousers - possibly even to undress fully and have the WG do the same?

Odd that only £1k in cash was found. One wonders whether plod trousered the balance, or whether the organiser had already been round to collect before the raid. A little observation before rushing in might have been prudent, but probably DCI "Dave" realised that between his team and the NotW journalists the secret plan wouldn't stay secret more than a couple of hours?

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