Jean Valjean

Punting in the past

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This may have been done before, in which case apologies and move on.

As a relatively new punter I've wondered from time to time what punting would be like without the convenience of modern communications; specifically the internet, email and mobile phones.

Are there any ladies or gentlemen who remember how it was done in the past? How did ladies advertise? How did gents find ladies and how were arrangements made?

From literature of the past it seems there were local brothels or else courtesans who were known within certain closed circles. But what about in the nineteen-seventies and early eighties? It must have been much less easy than it is now.

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When I first started punting the options were contact mags or the street. Contact mags carried ladies phone numbers in some cases and were a great way to make contact.

When clearing out my fathers stuff I found a few 60s and 70s contact mags which were po box and letter only, I also found a letter he had written and a few replies from ladies outlining their looks, services, prices and locations. Unfortunately I decided it was evidence that was best destroyed and burned them. Suppose I should have offered them to the British Museum really.

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This may have been done before, in which case apologies and move on.

As a relatively new punter I've wondered from time to time what punting would be like without the convenience of modern communications; specifically the internet, email and mobile phones.

Are there any ladies or gentlemen who remember how it was done in the past? How did ladies advertise? How did gents find ladies and how were arrangements made?

From literature of the past it seems there were local brothels or else courtesans who were known within certain closed circles. But what about in the nineteen-seventies and early eighties? It must have been much less easy than it is now.

I read adverts in local newspapers mainly, then rang up and if i liked what i heard made a booking. It was hit and miss but i found a lot of the WGs were doing it part-time and were not business orientated, for example and hour could easily turn into three hours with the lady not accepting anymore than the hours fee. Other times the lady was nothing like her phone description, had a bush up to her belly button and hairy armpits, i very very rarely walked out then, i needed a shag and went for it.

Another means of contact and the only way to see a picture which were really bad as i recall was using Contact Magazines, either direct contact mags which were more expensive and had phone numbers in them or indirect contact mags where you sent a SAE to the mag and they passed your info onto to the lady and she contacted you back with her details through the mag. I had an accomadation address for this indirect method.

Cards in newsagent windows, cards in phone boxes were other methods of finding WGs. The problem before mobiles was finding a phone box that worked, many were being vandalised the whole time, so punting on the hoof could be a bit difficult.:)

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London was the center for punting in the 60's and 70's with what seemed 100's of girls in Soho and the saunas of north and east boroughs. Soho was a bit hit and miss with many mature women and the saunas involved driving around looking for likely premises.

I lived in the north of England then and for locals I would use contact mags. Many of them were run by con men but I do remember one called Pheonix that had telephone numbers and pictures. It came out monthly and was a godsend to those of us who were not experiencing the hippy free love of the era. I met lovely women through this publication. I can recall many but Penny of Birmingham with huge breasts was probably the best.

Electronic media has helped us in finding women to punt with but has not made as much of a difference as it has in changing the quality of the service we receive. With careful research you should not have a bad punt now.Bad providers are quickly outed and good ones are highlighted even quicker . Thank you to PunterNet and its ilk.

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Local paper ads and ads in newagents windows. A bit hit and miss as you never saw a photo. However, three of my all time favourites, I guess long-since retired, were found through newagent ads: Jackie, busty tit-fuck specialist who worked close to Baker Street, Louise Scott, bit titted dusky lingerie freak in Bayswater, and Laura, a bosomy blond in Waterloo to whom I returned many times and who gave me my first OWO CIM experience to add to the gallons I shot between her tits and into her pussy over a five-year period.

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tried once in 1995

street girl in Manchester near Piccadilly Gdns. BJ in a shop doorway (Covered)

Most unsatusfactory. Didnt try again till I found Punternet on Google.

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back in the days of cavemen and women...

The men turned up with dinner dragged the women off to their cage and wham bam their you go payment with dinner :eek:

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When I started punting I worked in the Kings Cross area. There were lots of street w.g.'s there but, I really didn't fancy any of them (a lot of them were high on drugs). It was necessary to rely on postcards in phone boxes (these, I think, still exist) and adverts in local newspapers which, in my area certainly, were banned a while back. Thank goodness for punternet:)

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started punting in the mid 70's first in soho,then mayfair,cards in telephone boxes in west end,local papers in the 80's and one or two cards in shop windows such as large chest for sale & french polishing:)

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I love that "large chest" shop window postcard, but, it all sounds very hit and miss pre-internet. I wonder what differences we might see in 20 to 30 years time?

In the meantime, I'm pretty happy that the internet quickly reached critical mass and is unswitchoffable :eek:

Thank you Punternet for making life a little bit easier.

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I started punting in the early 1980s and used street girls for sex in my car .

There were some really nice girls on the street in those days with not nearly as many drug addicts as there are today .

I would not entertain the idea of going with street girls nowadays .

When I got to know these girls better I would visit them in their homes and it was a good way of making initial contact .

Looking back I enjoyed my punting much better in those early days and am not too keen on how professional and organized the business has become .

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Pre-internet, my activities were in sauna/massage parlours only.

Mind you I did find an absolute cracker in New Experience in Camden.

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Leith docks where the sailors were was a good port of call, there were a few pubs in the area where you could select someone buy them a drink and discuss terms....

Contact mags were a bit hit and miss, you had to phone 3-4 numbers to get someone who was reallworking, and itwas a bit of cat and mouse situation, as you didnt know if the photo was real.

Local papers were useful as they did carry some ads, but every so often there would be a parlour bust, and details about place and costs were listed, if you waited a few weeks they would be up and running again, and you had all the info from the raids.

A thriving red light area was Rose street, just at the back of Princess street, it was allowed to function to attract tourists in the area, and there was some flats the escorts used on a 5 girls to one flat basis, I remember once going with a lady to the flat, and finding it used by someone, and two other ladies with their guys waiting to get in, she suggested the use of the bathroom to the lady in front but was told it was being used already, busy days when there is a rugby international on.

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A thriving red light area was Rose street, just at the back of Princess street, it was allowed to function to attract tourists in the area, and there was some flats the escorts used on a 5 girls to one flat basis, I remember once going with a lady to the flat, and finding it used by someone, and two other ladies with their guys waiting to get in, she suggested the use of the bathroom to the lady in front but was told it was being used already, busy days when there is a rugby international on.

I hit Rose Street in 1967, when the ladies had already, I think, mostly been moved on down to the top of Leith Walk, but the daughter of the proprietress of the Rose Street "hygenic store" which sold condoms, was able to drive a BMW, which, then, suggested that trade was good!

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started punting in the mid 70's first in soho,then mayfair,cards in telephone boxes in west end,local papers in the 80's and one or two cards in shop windows such as large chest for sale & french polishing:)

... and A Level coaching, French lessons etc. Apart from the postcards, in London it was Newspaper ads, What's On In London (which was expensive to advertise in but tended to get better girls' ads) and phone box cards, supplemented by phone calls beginning, "Can you give me any more information about your services ...". The success/failure ratio was very poor and has been transformed by the internet. But it did cause me to start keeping records of good and bad encounters, mainly to avoid making the smae mistake twice and I have kept doing so to this day. The ultimate anorak!

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Like others, initially cards in tobacconists' windows, first one near Paddington and recall a street with more such windows in Cricklewood.

Also Soho on trips down to London for soccer games and one girl in Frith Street became a regular for years.

I rather liked the contact mags, which all seemed Birmingham based tho an earlier comment about Phoenix may mean there were regional issues. But I recall someone asking me where a certain house was and it turned out to be the owner of a whole range of titles checking out a new base for his business.

Had some of my own photos in those from getting friendly with some girls in parlours/flats who were also in the mags.

Brum red light area became a magnet for my immature mind and again met some superb ladies, a few of whom became friends and introduced me to different lifestyles. Impressed by the largely Asian-background residents who cleared their streets of the red light area by staying out all night for months on end.

Missed the scene but all credit to them for their efforts.

Then parlours and again frequency brought friendship with some wonderful women and one told me about Punternet and having the first 800 to read through (and a dozen more every fortnight or so) was like being in a sweetshop.

Wouldn't have missed it for all the tea...

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How was it done in the past? You walked up a flight of stairs, and what was there was there. Or you walked into a parlour, and what was there was there. And you made the best of it.

I'm an old fart, but some things really have improved.

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Another means of contact and the only way to see a picture which were really bad as i recall was using Contact Magazines, either direct contact mags which were more expensive and had phone numbers in them or indirect contact mags where you sent a SAE to the mag and they passed your info onto to the lady and she contacted you back with her details through the mag. I had an accomadation address for this indirect method.

Yes, I remember those contact mags. I think you had to pay a set amount of money to the mag to reply to each lady? At least you got to see a pic of them before arranging a booking, but I agree the pics were usually awful.

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Like others, initially cards in tobacconists' windows, first one near Paddington and recall a street with more such windows in Cricklewood.

Also Soho on trips down to London for soccer games and one girl in Frith Street became a regular for years.

I rather liked the contact mags, which all seemed Birmingham based tho an earlier comment about Phoenix may mean there were regional issues. But I recall someone asking me where a certain house was and it turned out to be the owner of a whole range of titles checking out a new base for his business.

Had some of my own photos in those from getting friendly with some girls in parlours/flats who were also in the mags.

Brum red light area became a magnet for my immature mind and again met some superb ladies, a few of whom became friends and introduced me to different lifestyles. Impressed by the largely Asian-background residents who cleared their streets of the red light area by staying out all night for months on end.

Missed the scene but all credit to them for their efforts.

Then parlours and again frequency brought friendship with some wonderful women and one told me about Punternet and having the first 800 to read through (and a dozen more every fortnight or so) was like being in a sweetshop.

Wouldn't have missed it for all the tea...

I recall a most amazing sight in Birmingham in the 80s, a road with a row of houses in which WGs were at the window Amsterdam style, i didnt partake but i found it fascinating at the time.:eek:

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I love that "large chest" shop window postcard, but, it all sounds very hit and miss pre-internet.

Wah! Is this the same large chest that I remember in Margravine Gardens, just a step from Barons Court underground? Memories, memories...

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Yes, I remember those contact mags. I think you had to pay a set amount of money to the mag to reply to each lady? At least you got to see a pic of them before arranging a booking, but I agree the pics were usually awful.

Yes, i always paid by Postal Order, i recall i used to reply to 6 or so at a time in the same envelope to the Mag people and pick up my replies from the Accomadation Address i had. The local paper in my area was more fruitful though.:eek:

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My basic pre-Internet experience is different because England is only one of many countries where I've punted. I'm an old historical relic because I started in 1955.

I remember the system of cards on display boards outside newsagents' shops in London when I was there first in 1964. More of them there than in telephone boxes, particularly in Bayswater I think. No time for punting then, but I made good use of the same system when I was back again with enough time for it. That began in February 1965.

Electronic media has helped us in finding women to punt with but has not made as much of a difference as it has in changing the quality of the service we receive. With careful research you should not have a bad punt now.Bad providers are quickly outed and good ones are highlighted even quicker . Thank you to PunterNet and its ilk.

I'm not so sure about that in the UK, but if it means only being able to tell the horrible ones from the bad ones and the bad ones from the less bad (meaning ordinary) ones, I agree. When I've used Punternet FRs since 2003, when I found them, I've obviously gone only for WGs whose reports have all been good. I've had one quite good parlour punt that way in south London in 2003 and one in Highbridge in 2006. All the others have been very ordinary at best, by international standards, and disappointing compared to what the FRs said. Or worse. At worst, well, you wouldn't want to know. What's surprising is that I had a better hit rate from newsagents' boards (trying to read the advertisements between the lines, from the handwriting, etc.) in the 1960s to 80s. Not a brilliant rate, but better than from FRs. I'd like to have an explanation of that, but I can't think of one.

Prostitution is an accepted fact of life in most of the countries where I've punted. That means the police and preachers, religious or Guardian type, don't interfere with it much. The usual way to find it there was/is to look out for information (never hard to find) on where the red light zones or brothel quarters are, and then pick up details about any other parts of the scene from the people in those places before and after the punts. In hotels - best not at the top end of the scale, but one level below that - I've always found the doorman-concierge parts of the business to be good sources for where the action is. For who it is too. In some places where the red light & brothel line of enquiry doesn't get you anywhere or gets you only insanitary and dangerous results, the hotel approach was the best pre-Internet way to go. That was how things were in Paris for sure when I knew it first and for a long time afterwards.

Asking random taxi drivers in those places can usually produce something, but most suggestions you get that way aren't worth much. From informed taxi drivers you can do much better. Generally those are people the informed hotel doormen call first when you're asking in advance to book a taxi for any job. I guess they're always exchanging information with each other and staying up to date.

A business opportunity there for Jimmy Redcab?

I could tell a good first-hand story about informers like these - one of them more resourceful than Jeeves, especially in a crisis - applying to a certain Asian capital during a conference and a certain visiting prime minister whose native language was English. Yep, I was there on the spot (trying to punt without interfering with anyone else's pleasures, which turned out to be slightly tricky). But I won't, because I don't want the moderators to punish me for straying off topic.

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I recall a most amazing sight in Birmingham in the 80s, a road with a row of houses in which WGs were at the window Amsterdam style, i didnt partake but i found it fascinating at the time.:eek:

Yes there were two back-to-back cul-de-sacs. I think I only went inside twice and once ended up with me being robbed (girl embracing me while pimp stole into room and filched tenner from my clothes). They were the earliest roads closed for business by the police.

But I only recall two or three occasions of being robbed - 'only' because of the very many potentially hairy situations I found myself in, and never any physical harm.

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Pre-internet, my activities were in sauna/massage parlours only.

Mind you I did find an absolute cracker in New Experience in Camden.

Me too- usually found either by walking past or occasionally via Yellow Pages.

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Yes there were two back-to-back cul-de-sacs. I think I only went inside twice and once ended up with me being robbed (girl embracing me while pimp stole into room and filched tenner from my clothes). They were the earliest roads closed for business by the police.

But I only recall two or three occasions of being robbed - 'only' because of the very many potentially hairy situations I found myself in, and never any physical harm.

Glad i didnt partake now you have given your experiences.:D

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