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the waiting is over for me . after a lot of false starts i got a ticket on australian airlines Qantas £573 return london to sydney with free stopovers in bangkok both ways which is brilliant

armed with reports from seasoned travellers to thailand on this forum and others i got few questions to ask before take off

Q1 on my list to do things in bangkok are the following ..

eden club . annies for soapy massage .nana plaza . and nana car park for after hours pick up .

beer garden on soi 7 . cm 2 club in the ambassador hotel soi 11

and of course soi cow boy and pat bong

question is did i leave any thing out or some other places in bangkok should be included ??????

Q2 how much to tip the girls in the massage places ? and does one need to tip girls after paying the bar fine and their fees ??

Q3 any updates on punting in hua hin and cha am ? i notice it is the season to go there in late april may . could not find up to date reports on world sex guide.

Q 4 has any one been to chiang mai during late april mid may ??? i read it could be extremely hot there at that time ??

Q5 in both sydney and melbourne prostitution is legal so can any one recommend a good safe and resonable brothels in both cities ??

or any good websites .

many thanks in advance any replies or tips from punters wuld be very much appreciated

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When are you going? How long you got In Bkk? One night each way I guess?

It depends what you want, as there is so much to do In Bkk.

Annie's has good feedback, but In the past have not had the stunnas working there, but now the boss has hired some Sideliners, so might be worth a look.

Do take a look at Eden club, total PSE with two ladies. Cm2 Is In the Novotel off Siam square, was mostly Uzbeki/russian freelancers last time I went.

Also If you like a soapy massage check out the MPs of Ratchada Rd.

Lots of classy big places catering to asian customers.

You only tip the massage girls at the end of the session, 300-500 baht Is good, but If she Is crap don't tip. And with the bargirls, you pay the bar the Barfine, to take the lady, do not pay her upfront, or you will no doubt have a crap experience, you can tip a few baht extra If she's made you happy, but tipping Is so american, not something Thai's do often. Some of the pretty gogo girls can be very business like now, and only want shortime.

Freelancers are to be found all over Sukhumvit, and In the discos.

Keep reading WSG, and other boards for good Bkk Info, I know a few members have just touched down In Bkk, and are posting reports.

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When are you going? How long you got In Bkk? One night each way I guess?

It depends what you want, as there is so much to do In Bkk.

Annie's has good feedback, but In the past have not had the stunnas working there, but now the boss has hired some Sideliners, so might be worth a look.

Do take a look at Eden club, total PSE with two ladies. Cm2 Is In the Novotel off Siam square, was mostly Uzbeki/russian freelancers last time I went.

Also If you like a soapy massage check out the MPs of Ratchada Rd.

Lots of classy big places catering to asian customers.

You only tip the massage girls at the end of the session, 300-500 baht Is good, but If she Is crap don't tip. And with the bargirls, you pay the bar the Barfine, to take the lady, do not pay her upfront, or you will no doubt have a crap experience, you can tip a few baht extra If she's made you happy, but tipping Is so american, not something Thai's do often. Some of the pretty gogo girls can be very business like now, and only want shortime.

Freelancers are to be found all over Sukhumvit, and In the discos.

Keep reading WSG, and other boards for good Bkk Info, I know a few members have just touched down In Bkk, and are posting reports.

hi jerboa happy holidays

i am staying 2 weeks in thailand on the way to sydney and one week on the way back . going down memory lane after nearly 20 years ,

i am not into russian girls unless they are blond suntanned with good personality .

any tips on cool weather areas not too far from bangkok ??

i know one cannot have everything reasonable air fair . good weather and cheap punting .

as for blond hot girls iam saving myself for sydney and melbourne

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Just to clarify the bar fine as Jerboa said is just to take the girl from the bar, her fee is negotiated separately with her and only her, if a mammasan starts to get involved your going to get overcharged ,full stop.;)

In MP's you do tip the girl as said.

In Eden the fee is all inclusive and tip is "up to you" (I tip max 500thb for both girls ) ;);)

Go to Pattaya after your fill of BKK, more girls more go-gos more bars the sea side cheaper hotels and everything else only a bus/cab ride away, have fun.

Good site for pattaya (and Thailand) info

http://www.pattayatalk.com/

I'm there from May 13th if you want a beer.

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For massage places, see http://bangkok2night.com/massage/ Nataree and (despite the warning) J-One were good a month ago ....2000 and 2500B respectively, plus a tip of 500 (£10), because both left me feeling generous!

I'd steer clear of freelancers on the Sukhumvit Road. If you must, look closely at the hands and for any sign of an Adam's Apple and remember that, unlike for girls in a registered bar or massage parlour, health checks are unlikely.... Soi Cowboy (noisy) or Sukhumvit Soi 33 bars (quieter, classier) are safer. Have fun.

As for Sydney, long time since I've been there, but the Black Cat was very good.

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the waiting is over for me . after a lot of false starts i got a ticket on australian airlines Qantas £573 return london to sydney with free stopovers in bangkok both ways which is brilliant

armed with reports from seasoned travellers to thailand on this forum and others i got few questions to ask before take off

Q1 on my list to do things in bangkok are the following ..

eden club . annies for soapy massage .nana plaza . and nana car park for after hours pick up .

beer garden on soi 7 . cm 2 club in the ambassador hotel soi 11

and of course soi cow boy and pat bong

question is did i leave any thing out or some other places in bangkok should be included ??????

Q2 how much to tip the girls in the massage places ? and does one need to tip girls after paying the bar fine and their fees ??

Q3 any updates on punting in hua hin and cha am ? i notice it is the season to go there in late april may . could not find up to date reports on world sex guide.

Q 4 has any one been to chiang mai during late april mid may ??? i read it could be extremely hot there at that time ??

Q5 in both sydney and melbourne prostitution is legal so can any one recommend a good safe and resonable brothels in both cities ??

or any good websites .

many thanks in advance any replies or tips from punters wuld be very much appreciated

Lots of good questions here and lots of experts here eager to share their acquired knowledge, I'm sure.

Q1 I presume you meant Pat Pong, which is an adult entertainment centre some distance away from the others, which are near or along Sukhumvit - 'Pat Bong' sounds like an opium den. It has become more of a night market area lately, with the go-gos serving as light relief for herds of shoppers intent on getting a bargain on the latest fashion knock-offs. I personally prefer the go-gos on Soi Cowboy v those in Nana Entertainment Plaza, which have really become rapacious as business activity as slowed. If you are prepared to spend a bit more for a 'soapie' I strongly recommend Chaopraya II. You will find it on any list of Bangkok MPs and it is cheaper, and more tout-free, than most of the fancy soapies north of Sukhumvit, and much nicer than Annie's.

Q2 DO tip masseuses, DON'T tip go-go dancers or bar girls, once you have negotiated their bar fines and exit from the bars. Once you establish a mutually-acceptable price, stick to it. If you do an overnighter, it's okay to let them have a bit of shopping therapy in the morning, especially if you want to continue the relationship later. Invest, don't speculate.

Q3 There are NO cool places in Thailand April-July and it's still pretty hot earlier in the day during the subsequent monsoon/rainy season. If you have real difficulty with heat, limit your visits to November-March. Rooms with fans are better for sleeping than air-con, believe it or not, and the main thing is to seek out shelter periodically during the day and avoid strenuous activity. (BBBJs are good, three pops in an hour are bad - save that stuff until nightfall). Both Hua Hin and Cha Am are comparative deserts for punting but either can be a nice place to take a girl you have met in Bangkok or elsewhere. The main appeal of both of places to me is that you are not surrounded by foreign tourists in every direction. The Royal Family has an enclave in Hua Hin (Thailand's oldest besch resort) and the limited nightlife is pretty tame.

Q4 Chiang Mai can be hotter than Bangkok during the hot season. And, unlike Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket, there's not much of a 'scene' to take your mind off the heat. Nevertheless, it's a lovely city, especially the old town, and many of the most beautiful women in Thailand come from that area. If you strike it lucky, and I have several times, 'it doesn't get much better that this'.

Q5 Oz? The only thing I know about the place is that our erstwhile starlet, Crystal, hangs out in Perth. You might try contacting her via a PM on this board - she would make the whole trip worthwhile, I'm sure.

Chok dii krup! T7

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In Sydney, the most well known place to go is Darlinghurst Road (Kings Cross) - very easy to get to, the Kings Cross tube station has an exit on it. Seems a safe enough area, the police station is at the end of the street. The only place I went (twice) was 'Love Machine' which is a strip club/brothel. I saw two girls, Kitty and Tanya, who were both very friendly and provided a great service, but this was a couple of years ago so I expect they've moved on by now. The exchange rate sucks at the moment though, so expect to pay more than UK prices.

See http://www.topsightseeing.com/australia/sydney/attractions/kingscrossdarlinghurstpaddington.htm

and http://www.kingscrossonline.com.au/page.asp?e_page=371427&entryType=Directory&location=&type=569877&find=Find&intPageNo=1

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As Tiggy says there are no cool places to be found In Thailand In April onwards. Patpong Is more of a tourist sex theme park these days, many tourist walk at 1mph down the night market, difficult to walk down the soi, and many touts who try to take you to sex shows, which are often rip-offs.

But there are some decent gogo bars to be found there, Kings group bars are safe.

If your staying 3 weeks I would take Montys advice and head down to Pattaya for a good part of your time.

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As Tiggy says there are no cool places to be found In Thailand In April onwards. Patpong Is more of a tourist sex theme park these days, many tourist walk at 1mph down the night market, difficult to walk down the soi, and many touts who try to take you to sex shows, which are often rip-offs.

But there are some decent gogo bars to be found there, Kings group bars are safe.

If your staying 3 weeks I would take Montys advice and head down to Pattaya for a good part of your time.

a state of emergency has just been declared in pattaya as demonstraters surrounded the asean meeting being held there .

a friend just mentioned a place with . water falls cooler than bangkok on the phone he said it is called .ken jammari or chappari i will get the right spelling this place is only 3 hours by bus fron mangkok .

few after thoughts re bar girls /i assume uou have to buy a few drinks for the girl before you barfine her andtake her out and if so how much on average are girls drinks ??.and is there a minimum no of drinks you have to buy before you take away as is the practice in some parts of the world including upscale clubs in london ??

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Just to clarify the bar fine as Jerboa said is just to take the girl from the bar, her fee is negotiated separately with her and only her, if a mammasan starts to get involved your going to get overcharged ,full stop.;)

In MP's you do tip the girl as said.

In Eden the fee is all inclusive and tip is "up to you" (I tip max 500thb for both girls ) ;);)

Go to Pattaya after your fill of BKK, more girls more go-gos more bars the sea side cheaper hotels and everything else only a bus/cab ride away, have fun.

Good site for pattaya (and Thailand) info

http://www.pattayatalk.com/

I'm there from May 13th if you want a beer.

many thanks i will pm you if am inthe area i hope bangkok troubles do not spread to pattaya as was the situation in dec which put my plans to travel then on hold .

PS EXCUSE my typing skills something i just cannot master

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a state of emergency has just been declared in pattaya as demonstraters surrounded the asean meeting being held there .

a friend just mentioned a place with . water falls cooler than bangkok on the phone he said it is called .ken jammari or chappari i will get the right spelling this place is only 3 hours by bus fron mangkok .

few after thoughts re bar girls /i assume uou have to buy a few drinks for the girl before you barfine her andtake her out and if so how much on average are girls drinks ??.and is there a minimum no of drinks you have to buy before you take away as is the practice in some parts of the world including upscale clubs in london ??

I've been following the news of political unrest in Pattaya and I'll bet it has had very little effect on the nightlife on Walking Street. The Royal Cliff is up the hill and away from the tawdry side of south Pattaya and if a few tourists are frightened away that merely means that there are more of the local lovelies left for you.

As for bar girls, buy as many or few drinks for them as you like. It will be the bar fine and the ST or LT fee that you will pay that will interest either the mamasan or the girl herself.

The bus to Bangkok costs about £2 but you can get a taxi there in less than two hours for about £20.;)

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Up to you how many Ladydrinks you want to buy, there Is no minimum like In some hostess bars. I have In the past BarFined a girl without buying her a drink. Ladydrinks usually cost around 100B-150B, always check your tab, as there Is a chance that the bill can be padded by over-Industrious waitresses.

I've just read a thread on WSG of a guy who got stung for 825B and 1025B In two bars In Soi Cowboy, Apparently there Is a new fashion of having coyote girls In some bars, and they charge 300B for a glass of ice and cola!

Never get pressured Into buying a girl/s ladydrinks

If they ask straight away they are only hustling you, and If you agree they will just treat you like a dick.

"No honey no money" :D

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If your going to Thailand for 3 weeks then as well as punting may I suggest you go to Kanchanaburi and the bridge over the river Kwai?

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As i stated on another thread from 25th Jan the brothels in Melbourne that i visited are Top of the Town which is near or on the corner of Flinders and King Street next to a pub which i cant remember the name of also nearby are a selection of lapdancing clubs if you fancy a warm up before the main event! Unfortunatley these are just designed to empty your pockets and leave you frustrated.The other one that i visited was The Boardroom which is to the south of the Crown Casino and will take a bit of finding on foot but taxi drivers know it and if your embarrassed rest assured they dont bat an eyelid.I havent been to Sydney for a few years but the scene there is similar but avoid Kings X as its full of junkies etc and looks like Soho The local papers all carry adverts and there is also an aussie P/net forum which is easy to join and find all you need to do is Google Have a good trip:confused::D

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I've been following the news of political unrest in Pattaya and I'll bet it has had very little effect on the nightlife on Walking Street. The Royal Cliff is up the hill and away from the tawdry side of south Pattaya and if a few tourists are frightened away that merely means that there are more of the local lovelies left for you.

As for bar girls, buy as many or few drinks for them as you like. It will be the bar fine and the ST or LT fee that you will pay that will interest either the mamasan or the girl herself.

The bus to Bangkok costs about £2 but you can get a taxi there in less than two hours for about £20.:D

up to date position .state of emergency lifted in pattaya imposed today on bangkok and surrounding areas .

(bloodshed and violence very likely if the prime minister does not resign or parliament is not resolved ) thai historian and former rector of bangkok university .

my take off is next week . my new question how is this is going to be resolved before takeoff or in the week i am in sydney second week in may .

on your suggestion ti include chiang mai now riots are spreading to that area as well .

final hard queston what to do ??????

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Just to clarify the bar fine as Jerboa said is just to take the girl from the bar, her fee is negotiated separately with her and only her, if a mammasan starts to get involved your going to get overcharged ,full stop.:D

In MP's you do tip the girl as said.

In Eden the fee is all inclusive and tip is "up to you" (I tip max 500thb for both girls ) :D;)

Go to Pattaya after your fill of BKK, more girls more go-gos more bars the sea side cheaper hotels and everything else only a bus/cab ride away, have fun.

Good site for pattaya (and Thailand) info

http://www.pattayatalk.com/

I'm there from May 13th if you want a beer.

any changes to your plans or is it a question of wait and see ??

my whole plan was based on a stay in thailand with sydney as a side trip since the Quantas fare included sydney and melbourne as well .

may be their fare should have come with a health warning .

i would still go to thailand if the airports remain open but the problem is . would they still be open on the way back ??

the rioters are warning they may close the bridge to laos so if i am in chiang mai this is one exit cloesd ?

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up to date position .state of emergency lifted in pattaya imposed today on bangkok and surrounding areas .

(bloodshed and violence very likely if the prime minister does not resign or parliament is not resolved ) thai historian and former rector of bangkok university .

my take off is next week . my new question how is this is going to be resolved before takeoff or in the week i am in sydney second week in may .

on your suggestion ti include chiang mai now riots are spreading to that area as well .

final hard queston what to do ??????

I'm not even sure the Thais, red-shirted or not, know precisely what is going to happen next. But if your air ticket has any flexibility built into it and if you are not under any strict time constraints, this could be an interesting time to go. I guarantee you that both the local press (for political reasons) and international press (for sensationalistic reasons) inevitably overstate events in Thailand but foreigners tend to be exempt from practically all aspects of 'civil unrest' (the ten-day closure of Suvarnabhumi being a huge exception) and you should be oblivious to any political excitement while you are there unless you make an effort to seek it out. In fact, I will bet foreigners generally are being treated like VIPs in Pattaya right now, and probably at Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and along Sukhumvit in Bangkok, as well.:D

Thaksin comes from Chiang Mai and has plenty of supporters in the north but I doubt that the 'civil unrest' will prove a problem there.

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I'm not even sure the Thais, red-shirted or not, know precisely what is going to happen next. But if your air ticket has any flexibility built into it and if you are not under any strict time constraints, this could be an interesting time to go. I guarantee you that both the local press (for political reasons) and international press (for sensationalistic reasons) inevitably overstate events in Thailand but foreigners tend to be exempt from practically all aspects of 'civil unrest' (the ten-day closure of Suvarnabhumi being a huge exception) and you should be oblivious to any political excitement while you are there unless you make an effort to seek it out. In fact, I will bet foreigners generally are being treated like VIPs in Pattaya right now, and probably at Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and along Sukhumvit in Bangkok, as well.:D

hi tiggy not playing golf today ??????

my time table is completely flexible

my ticket is not changable prior to departure but changable for £50 per change afterwards .

a friend was in bangkok during the riots in dec and had a great time even some top hotels were offering huge discounts .and some of them free stays .

ANY ONE else for bangkok ???

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hi tiggy not playing golf today ??????

my time table is completely flexible

my ticket is not changable prior to departure but changable for £50 per change afterwards .

a friend was in bangkok during the riots in dec and had a great time even some top hotels were offering huge discounts .and some of them free stays .

ANY ONE else for bangkok ???

Go for it! I was there last September right after the YELLOW shirts were successful with their protest and it was wonderful - for ME. The locals all were worrying about the potential loss of tourist income and went out of their way to be nice to all and sundry. The fears currently being generated by the RED shirts should have a similar effect. You don't have any reason to go near the National Monument or Government buildings in Bangkok, anyway (nor would you have had any reason to go near the Royal Cliff Hotel in Pattaya unless you were accompanied by your wife and children). This is one situation where letting your little brain down there guide you, rather than the larger one in your head, makes sense. I was back in both Bangkok and Pattaya two months ago and nobody I spoke to then talked or thought much about the political situation - as usual, it mainly was just the preoccupation of the chattering classes.:D

With luck, the Sterling-Baht exchange rate may drop a bit.

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Go for it! I was there last September right after the YELLOW shirts were successful with their protest and it was wonderful - for ME. The locals all were worrying about the potential loss of tourist income and went out of their way to be nice to all and sundry. The fears currently being generated by the RED shirts should have a similar effect. You don't have any reason to go near the National Monument or Government buildings in Bangkok, anyway (nor would you have had any reason to go near the Royal Cliff Hotel in Pattaya unless you were accompanied by your wife and children). This is one situation where letting your little brain down there guide you, rather than the larger one in your head, makes sense. I was back in both Bangkok and Pattaya two months ago and nobody I spoke to then talked or thought much about the political situation - as usual, it mainly was just the preoccupation of the chattering classes.:D

With luck, the Sterling-Baht exchange rate may drop a bit.

i am waiting for the foreign exchange markets to open to see the new rate

on a serious note the foreign office issued a warning advising brits not to travel to thailand . so i have to find out the consequences on travel insurance re delays cancelations of flights etc

but i am determined to go wearing my white shirts and red underpants .

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hi tiggy not playing golf today ??????

my time table is completely flexible

my ticket is not changable prior to departure but changable for £50 per change afterwards .

a friend was in bangkok during the riots in dec and had a great time even some top hotels were offering huge discounts .and some of them free stays .

ANY ONE else for bangkok ???

Here is an interesting local source to follow for up-to-date news:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews

Here is another:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/

Both papers are pro-government (ie, the Yellows) but then most foreign or international news sources are anti-government since Thaksin's party (the Reds) was 'democratically' elected. (Democracy as in 1,000 Baht per vote in the populous but economically-destitute north east - Isaan)

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i am waiting for the foreign exchange markets to open to see the new rate

on a serious note the foreign office issued a warning advising brits not to travel to thailand . so i have to find out the consequences on travel insurance re delays cancelations of flights etc

but i am determined to go wearing my white shirts and red underpants .

Good point - I don't buy travel insurance but a lot of folks do. I guess I could say that I 'self-insure', and this has saved me enough dosh to pay a lot of bar fines over the years.:D

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i am waiting for the foreign exchange markets to open to see the new rate

on a serious note the foreign office issued a warning advising brits not to travel to thailand . so i have to find out the consequences on travel insurance re delays cancelations of flights etc

but i am determined to go wearing my white shirts and red underpants .

Good point - I don't buy travel insurance but a lot of folks do. I guess I could say that I 'self-insure', and this has saved me enough dosh to pay a lot of bar fines over the years.:D You DO need to ensure that you have some flexibility in your schedule, though.

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If your going to Thailand for 3 weeks then as well as punting may I suggest you go to Kanchanaburi and the bridge over the river Kwai?

yes thank you this is the place i was looking for KANCHANABURI . which my friend could not spell on the phone . i just looked it up on lonley planet and it seems to be interesting as a get away from the red shirts of bangkok .

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As has already been said, Thailand's long history of internal conflict has rarely been directed at foreigners. The recent airport closure is, of course, the notable exception but even then it was inconvenience and not violence that was the problem. I would find it hard to believe that lower Sukhumvit (the likely centre of your action) will be affected in any way.

As for your "to do list", in my opinion Annie's is a waste of time for a soapy. OK, I've not been there for years but that's because when I did go there, the place was sub-standard.

In Bangkok, I've tried Darling, Mona Lisa, Chaoprya 1 and 2. All satisfactory and in the 1800bht to 2500 bht range. My first soapy was in Darling, so has a special place in my memory. I think my best soapy experiences have been in Pattaya. There are three different soapies around Soi 2/Soi 3 and 2nd Road. Anyway, best by far for me is on corner of soi 2- I think it's called Sabai Dee.

The main area for soapies is on a road called Rachadapisek (I think). It's now accessable by subway, so probably worth checking out.

One thing that I absolutely recommend in Bangkok is an oil massage at Tulip Massage, which is underneath Thong Lo skytrain station. Two hours is 800 bht to the parlour and 1500 bht to the girl. Out of five visits, four have been at the sensational end of the scale and one average. The girls are OK looking, not stunners, but the experience is great.

Totally agree with the suggestion to visit Kanchanaburi. Do a bit of research to decide whether you do it as a day trip or take a bit more time and see some of the surrounding countryside.

I'm sure that you'll have a great time whatever choices you end up making.

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