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MAnchester gang forced minor into prostitution!

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thats utterly disgusting..

as for the leniant jail sentances, its not great is it. I wonder what the maximum sentences the judge could have given? The judge can say how much they have to serve before parole is considered.. i wonder what it was.

WHY OH WHY did they not get more for that? Surely those who get caught with pornography on their computers get more..

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thats just soooooooooooooo sick :P:mad::D

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thats utterly disgusting..

as for the leniant jail sentances, its not great is it. I wonder what the maximum sentences the judge could have given? The judge can say how much they have to serve before parole is considered.. i wonder what it was.

WHY OH WHY did they not get more for that? Surely those who get caught with pornography on their computers get more..

According to the Sexual Offences Act 2003 sentencing guidelines:

For the 'pimps' - 14 years for controlling a child prostitute

For the 'punters' - 14 years for paying for sexual services of a child

In both cases if the child was 13 or under, the maximum sentence is life.

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These guys messed up a minors life through forced prostitution and all they get is a couple of years behind bars since they only serve half.....

The UK law is too weak at protecting the innocent!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100802/tuk-girl-14-forced-into-prostitution-6323e80.html

This is something that is sadly relatively common in NE Lancs, the girls don't just get taken to Manchester. They get taken and worked in towns like Burnley, Nelson, Blackburn Rochdale etc, anywhere with a large Asian population. The main problem is that certain people in authority are afraid of upsetting the Asian population of NE lancashire, if the gangs were white and they would have recieved longer sentences.

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This is something that is sadly relatively common in NE Lancs, the girls don't just get taken to Manchester. They get taken and worked in towns like Burnley, Nelson, Blackburn Rochdale etc, anywhere with a large Asian population. The main problem is that certain people in authority are afraid of upsetting the Asian population of NE lancashire, if the gangs were white and they would have recieved longer sentences.

Are you sure the law is scared of upsetting the Asian community.... I dont think people in Asian communities want these kind of people themselves.... any way the word Asian is a bit broad....

...but the issue of the UK law really pisses me off..... lets say I am criminal I can work out my risk up-front and I will know... oh well I will only get say 4 years for ruining someones life and then the law is not really a deterent. I think this is why in America you are allowed to arm yourself to protect yourself when the cop are not there to hold your hand...

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The photo on the caption says Girl, 14, forced into prostitution.

That doesn't look like a girl to me.

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Are you sure the law is scared of upsetting the Asian community.... I dont think people in Asian communities want these kind of people themselves.... any way the word Asian is a bit broad....

Look at the sentencing guidelines, then the sentences they were given, it's not the first time that Asian gangs have been caught doing this in NE Lancs. Muslim Asian men have no respect for women, especially white ones, (otherwise why do so many escorts refuse to see them?) I can also refer to several white female teachers who have similar problems in attitude to white women teachers.

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WHY OH WHY did they not get more for that?

This is vile beyond belief. A few months in Strangeways and they'll wish they'd never been born.

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Look at the sentencing guidelines, then the sentences they were given, it's not the first time that Asian gangs have been caught doing this in NE Lancs. Muslim Asian men have no respect for women, especially white ones, (otherwise why do so many escorts refuse to see them?) I can also refer to several white female teachers who have similar problems in attitude to white women teachers.

Yeah I think the sentences were a bit low, but there is no eveidence to say they got low time in jail because they are Asian, unless you know the judge?

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This absolutly sickens me I am a woman with two children and could not comprehend how i would feel if this happened to my kids it does not bear thinking about.

mike52 I am one of those wg that will not see muslim/asian men I am not in the slightist bit rascist I have an awful lot of asian/muslim male friends(who I have spoken to and agree with me on this) but I do find that in this line of work they have absolutly no respect at all.

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Yeah I think the sentences were a bit low, but there is no eveidence to say they got low time in jail because they are Asian, unless you know the judge?

It's just a matter of reading local paper news reports, doing comparisons and keeping your ears open.

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It is certainly true that there have been a considerable no of similiar cases all involving asian gangs.

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It is certainly true that there have been a considerable no of similiar cases all involving asian gangs.

yup...

Times: Grooming of white girls for sex is exposed as two Asian men jailed

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It is certainly true that there have been a considerable no of similiar cases all involving asian gangs.

But Martin Narey, Chief Executive of Barnardo's, interviewed on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning said that this kind of grooming/pimping isn't restricted to Asians, and that 'it would be simply quite wrong to draw conclusions from this case':

I would give far greater credence to Narey, as unlike posters on this thread his assertion is based on actual research (conducted by Barnardo's) rather than anecdote and hearsay.

The interview with Narey and Detective Superintendent Paul Savill can be listened to here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8879000/8879966.stm

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British justice at its best... :P

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........, if the gangs were white and they would have recieved longer sentences.

A pretty naieve mindset if you don't mind me saying.

British justice is blind to colour or creed. It treats every criminal including asian pimps or rape facilitators as I like to think of them, exactly the same....with kid gloves and no thought for the victim or what little deterrent value.

I'm not sure what feeble message British justice likes to send out but you have to admit it does it with mutlicultural indifference.

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This has allegedly been going on for some time.

In 2004 a channel 4 programme claimed Asian men in Bradford were grooming under age white girls for prostitution was pulled from C4's schedules because police claimed at the time that it could provoke racial violence during the local election campaign.

In March 2008 Panorama did a similar expose which, as I recall, was discussed on this forum.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-545289/Muslim-leader-accuses-police-cautious-stopping-Asian-gangs-pimping-white-girls.html

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It's a total travesty in my opinion, these nonces should have got life with no remission.

The only saving grace is that nonces tend to get dealt with more harshly by the rest of the prison population.

:P:D

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Absolutely disgusting :P

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Ann Cryer who was MP for Keighley until she stood down in April spoke out about this problem frequently.

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But Martin Narey, Chief Executive of Barnardo's, interviewed on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning said that this kind of grooming/pimping isn't restricted to Asians, and that 'it would be simply quite wrong to draw conclusions from this case':

I would give far greater credence to Narey, as unlike posters on this thread his assertion is based on actual research (conducted by Barnardo's) rather than anecdote and hearsay.

The interview with Narey and Detective Superintendent Paul Savill can be listened to here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8879000/8879966.stm

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These day people like Narey and police officers are frightened of speaking what they know to be true as they will be automatically branded 'racists' if they say anything that could possibly upset the Asian / Muslim community.

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There's a section is the Daily Mail report, not sure how true it is but not sure how

"On February 28 last year plain clothed police officers patrolling the area stopped and quizzed the girl as she looked for punters, but in fear of Khan, who was watching her, she gave a false name and said she was 16.

Police also questioned Khan and an accomplice but let them both go. The girl returned to Khan who stopped taking her into the city centre and instead shopped her out to men at a flat. "

If this is the case the prositution under 18 is illegal and surely a '16' yr old selling sex on the streets with a 30yr old 'asian' man and a.n.other in tow should be raising some alarm bells for those in authority ?

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This has allegedly been going on for some time.

In 2004 a channel 4 programme claimed Asian men in Bradford were grooming under age white girls for prostitution was pulled from C4's schedules because police claimed at the time that it could provoke racial violence during the local election campaign.

In March 2008 Panorama did a similar expose which, as I recall, was discussed on this forum.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-545289/Muslim-leader-accuses-police-cautious-stopping-Asian-gangs-pimping-white-girls.html

This seems to be a problem caused first and foremost by criminals, not necessarily confined to any particular race. Although in Northern towns it seems it is largely Asian gangs, in other parts of the country it is Afro-Caribbean, Turkish, Kurdish, Albanian and yes, even home grown white British (though they tend to work less in organised gangs.) A lot of it is linked to several different types of criminal activity, notably drug dealing.

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But Martin Narey, Chief Executive of Barnardo's, interviewed on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning said that this kind of grooming/pimping isn't restricted to Asians, and that 'it would be simply quite wrong to draw conclusions from this case':

I would give far greater credence to Narey, as unlike posters on this thread his assertion is based on actual research (conducted by Barnardo's) rather than anecdote and hearsay.

The interview with Narey and Detective Superintendent Paul Savill can be listened to here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8879000/8879966.stm

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You are putting the answer to the wrong question. Narey was asked because the guys were Asian and the girl was white was there a racial element? Narey replied as you said.

I would suspect that any Asian girls treated in the same way we would very rarely hear about as the 'shame' could result in 'honour killings' by the girls family.

On the 1 O'Clock news they were talking to the charity who are supporting the girl and they revealed that they had supported 400 similar cases 57 ongoing.

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