Punting' C-19 Exit Strategy

I guess sex work will not be high on the government's agenda when it eventually gets round to thinking about an exit strategy from the C-19 crisis. So we will have to work out our own way of restarting punting safely for both WGs and clients. There is a precedent - AIDS was supposed to be the end of punting and the industry adapted to that, mostly by condom use becoming the norm.

I think punting will not be completely safe, from C-19, until there is a vaccine or medication that can treat the worst effects of the illness but both those are a long way off. I don't think most of us would prepared to wear PPE during a session. If you have already been infected then you may have some immunity so if you and the WG have already had C-19 punting may be safe for both. Unfortunately, WHO currently seems to be against immunity certificates as this is still an unknown area.

It is possible that C-19 infection rates could fall to very low levels, in which case some might want to take the risk. Would sex workers and clients be included in the proposed NHS contact tracing scheme? So if you saw a girl then developed symptoms, would you give her details to the tracers? Conversely, how would you feel about a girl telling them about you?

Maybe reliable commercial testing kits will become available at reasonable cost and these might enable WGs and punters show they are 'safe' in the same way STD tests are used in the porn industy.

Other ideas welcome - I can't wait to restart, but won't do so until I know it's safe.

I think testing kits are the best idea to be honest although im not sure how they work how long does the results take to come through ?

I'm brand new to punting so as you can imagine im pretty cheesed off about it all I have an amazing first punt lined up but cant go its torture

but peoples safety comes first is there even any word when ristrictions will be loosned ? I imagine workers will start working again when one on one practices are allowed again such as hairdressing etc.

Also what is the tracing system ? Not heard of this one ?

Until social distancing stops I can't see there being much change and it will be at the very bottom of priorities for Govts especially where such activities are on the edge of the law and tolerated rather than desired. I am sure the feminazis will push for it never to restart. There most likely will be a point where it starts up again in an unofficial capacity. I do not have any direct contact with elderly or vulnerable people and not hugely worried about myself so I would risk it in a month or so if it continues to decrease. I see it as safer than unprotected sex.
Regarding PPE, will this lead to a new term like BFS (bare face sex)?

Mavro Wrote:
> Also what is the tracing system ? Not heard of
> this one ?

I think this refers to an app and using bluetooth that reports if a person comes into contact with someone positive. It sounds utterly ridiculous to me though widely talked about in several countries by people with better understanding that myself.

George47 Wrote:
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> Until social distancing stops I can't see there
> being much change and it will be at the very
> bottom of priorities for Govts especially where
> such activities are on the edge of the law and
> tolerated rather than desired. I am sure the
> feminazis will push for it never to restart. There
> most likely will be a point where it starts up
> again in an unofficial capacity. I do not have any
> direct contact with elderly or vulnerable people
> and not hugely worried about myself so I would
> risk it in a month or so if it continues to
> decrease. I see it as safer than unprotected sex.
> Regarding PPE, will this lead to a new term like
> BFS (bare face sex)?
>
> Mavro Wrote:
> > Also what is the tracing system ? Not heard of
> > this one ?
>
> I think this refers to an app and using bluetooth
> that reports if a person comes into contact with
> someone positive. It sounds utterly ridiculous to
> me though widely talked about in several countries
> by people with better understanding that myself.

I fear your right with all that which rules out agencies for the forseeable I have someone lined up and im not prepared to mess around and find someone else since I'm new to the game plus the girl in question is amazing and really nice so as you can imagine im dying here lol

That tracing thing sounds silly how will an app know if someone has it to then alert you unless the app is a self test kit lol sounds strange to me as soon as restrictions ease hopefully indipendants will be back agencies will be a fair way off yet I imagine

<<Also what is the tracing system>>

It may or may not use an app. It was used in the early stages of the outbreak here, but the government gave up on it (too early IMHO) when cases began to rise. With the non-app version, if someone is tested and has C-19 then they are questioned about who they have met and these people are contacted and asked (or told) to self-isolate.

The app, if it works, uses blue tooth to log and store every other app user you come close to. If you are diagnosed with C-19 then they download the database from the app and contact everyone you have been close to. The advantage, if it works, is that it does not rely on your memory and it will identify people whether you know them or not.

There is already an app, being run by Kings College I think, that uses self-reporting of symptoms. I'm not sure exactly what it does but I will check it out 'cos anything that helps beat the virus means we can get back on track sooner.

Just had a thought on this when pubs restaraunts shops etc reopen there will be social distancing rules in place because they are large gathering areas

But what about meeting family/friends ? I can imagine when were allowed to meet family and friends again is when things will start up again in the buisness

So hopefully not to long off June/July most likely!

I doubt that they give a toss about us to be honest. Nothing has even been mentioned as far as I am aware?

Chloe x

On the radio today they were saying they don't expect the travel industry will open up until the end of the year, and even then there will be restrictions and maybe the need for proof of imumity.

I planned a trip to Germany in early February to visit my favourite FKK club, but I am a contractor and a well-paid job came up so I postponed the FKK trip, which I now know was a big mistake. The money for the job came in this month, but I have nothing to spend it on

Before the lockdown there were cheap flights to Germany with timings that made a day-trip to a club feasible, but goodness knows if this will still be possible when C-19 is history.

I think as soon as lockdown ends, punting will resume. The young and fit will not get very ill. over 99% of deaths are from those with bad pre-exisintg conditions- not punter or hookers!
But people will start to socialise, go back to the office, use public transport, so we will get herd immunity, slowing down infection rates

people who live with vulnerable should be more careful, I suppose.

I know people are punting now. It will slowly recover.

We will all get this eventually. Nothing on earth can stop this spreading across the general population. The NHS can cope - it has beds to spare. We should have started to relax lockdown 2 weeks ago. And there will be no safe vaccine for 18 months.

<<so we will get herd immunity>> - Herd immunity will not work and was always a potentially disasterous strategy. The death rate from C-19 is around 1 to 2% and by no means all in the older age group or those with pre-existing conditions. This means in UK, with a population of around 60m, we can expect between half a million and one million dead if we are optimistic.

C-19 is also a very nasty disease. If you survive it is likely you will have long-lasting heath conditions such as damage to your lungs, heart and liver which will degrade your quality of life and may lead to an early death. There is much talk about the 'R' value (currently said to be about 0.7), which if it is below 1 means infections will reduce over time. However, if it goes much above 1 then the infections will increase very rapidly indeed, the NHS will be swamped and more will die simply because health care cannot be provided to them.

In short, forget herd immunity and do all you can to stay safe.

You're wrong. It's already accepted that most people have mild symptoms.

Coventrypunter Wrote:
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> I think as soon as lockdown ends, punting will
> resume. The young and fit will not get very ill.
> over 99% of deaths are from those with bad
> pre-exisintg conditions- not punter or hookers!
> But people will start to socialise, go back to the
> office, use public transport, so we will get herd
> immunity, slowing down infection rates
>
> people who live with vulnerable should be more
> careful, I suppose.
>
> I know people are punting now. It will slowly
> recover.
>
> We will all get this eventually. Nothing on earth
> can stop this spreading across the general
> population. The NHS can cope - it has beds to
> spare. We should have started to relax lockdown 2
> weeks ago. And there will be no safe vaccine for
> 18 months.

You don't seem to understand it's about spreading the disease. A group of working girls infected could have an R of 1000s especially if their symptoms are very mild. Plus many punters are over 65 so there ARE very vulnerable. None of us like the lockdown but it's clear your frustrations are overriding your common sense. Plus I find it interesting how the social media experts range from wanting a total lockdown until a vaccine is available to no lockdown at all. That suggest to me that the Govt is doing pretty much the right thing.

I know restrictions are supposed to be being lifted on Monday but what that will entail I dont know its clear we cant have total lockdown forever but also no restrictions would be disasterous group gatherings will be banned until vaccine is made. but small groups of up to 4 maximum will be allowed but working girls will be seeing a lot of guys per day so its very risky I think the best way for working girls to go is limit how many people per day. Say 3-4 people a day and they should take the punters temperature before physical contact etc thats the nly measure I can see workig to make it safe for punters and working girls.

Mavro Wrote:
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> I know restrictions are supposed to be being
> lifted on Monday but what that will entail I dont
> know its clear we cant have total lockdown forever
> but also no restrictions would be disasterous
> group gatherings will be banned until vaccine is
> made. but small groups of up to 4 maximum will be
> allowed but working girls will be seeing a lot of
> guys per day so its very risky I think the best
> way for working girls to go is limit how many
> people per day. Say 3-4 people a day and they
> should take the punters temperature before
> physical contact etc thats the nly measure I can
> see workig to make it safe for punters and working
> girls.


Different Escorts work in different ways, for example I only see around 5-6 a week, sometimes only 2 per week, just depends. Another Escort may see that many in one day, others that number in one month.

LIke sexual health you have to weigh up the risks, as well as consider the guidance.

Lifestyle of each individual, where they work can also be a factor too.

Someone in a block of flats, or parlour, or who uses public transport, works at close quarters with others, or who shares a household with people who do any of these may be higher risk.

However 1 CV-19 positive client/punter or partner is highly likely to pass it on.

It's not straight forward.

George47 Wrote:
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> Coventrypunter Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > I think as soon as lockdown ends, punting will
> > resume. The young and fit will not get very
> ill.
> > over 99% of deaths are from those with bad
> > pre-exisintg conditions- not punter or hookers!
> > But people will start to socialise, go back to
> the
> > office, use public transport, so we will get
> herd
> > immunity, slowing down infection rates
> >
> > people who live with vulnerable should be more
> > careful, I suppose.
> >
> > I know people are punting now. It will slowly
> > recover.
> >
> > We will all get this eventually. Nothing on
> earth
> > can stop this spreading across the general
> > population. The NHS can cope - it has beds to
> > spare. We should have started to relax lockdown
> 2
> > weeks ago. And there will be no safe vaccine
> for
> > 18 months.
>
> You don't seem to understand it's about spreading
> the disease. A group of working girls infected
> could have an R of 1000s especially if their
> symptoms are very mild. Plus many punters are over
> 65 so there ARE very vulnerable. None of us like
> the lockdown but it's clear your frustrations are
> overriding your common sense. Plus I find it
> interesting how the social media experts range
> from wanting a total lockdown until a vaccine is
> available to no lockdown at all. That suggest to
> me that the Govt is doing pretty much the right
> thing.


It really isnt ablut spreading the disease. its about flattening the curve, so many dont get ill together overwhelming the NHS. That was made quite clear by the government when they first stated lockdown.
We have done that. NHS deaths are dropping.
Now we need to get out and get immunity
before the weather gets bad in October, so we dont have a bad winter.

when thy open hairdresser and nail bars etc, I reckon people will think punting is OK. If you can be up close and personal with a barber, then a hooker is probably OK too,

Ruth Strawberry Wrote:
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> Mavro Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > I know restrictions are supposed to be being
> > lifted on Monday but what that will entail I
> dont
> > know its clear we cant have total lockdown
> forever
> > but also no restrictions would be disasterous
> > group gatherings will be banned until vaccine
> is
> > made. but small groups of up to 4 maximum will
> be
> > allowed but working girls will be seeing a lot
> of
> > guys per day so its very risky I think the best
> > way for working girls to go is limit how many
> > people per day. Say 3-4 people a day and they
> > should take the punters temperature before
> > physical contact etc thats the nly measure I
> can
> > see workig to make it safe for punters and
> working
> > girls.
>
>
> Different Escorts work in different ways, for
> example I only see around 5-6 a week, sometimes
> only 2 per week, just depends. Another Escort may
> see that many in one day, others that number in
> one month.
>
> LIke sexual health you have to weigh up the risks,
> as well as consider the guidance.
>
> Lifestyle of each individual, where they work can
> also be a factor too.
>
> Someone in a block of flats, or parlour, or who
> uses public transport, works at close quarters
> with others, or who shares a household with people
> who do any of these may be higher risk.
>
> However 1 CV-19 positive client/punter or partner
> is highly likely to pass it on.
>
> It's not straight forward.


It will also depend on the personal circumstances on the lady and the punter. Have they got a vulnerable person in their household? or are they at risk themselves? A young fit girl working alone in a flat where she lives will be less risk averse than someone who lives with an extended family.

Well with the lockdown relaxations, i guess it allows more scope for "unlimited exercise".
i can see some - both punters and escorts - taking advantage of it.
it's not social distancing though of course, but then no way the police can stop this. how woud they know who is visiting a relative or friends or not?
i'm not advocating law-breaking by the way.

coa999 Wrote:
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> Well with the lockdown relaxations, i guess it
> allows more scope for "unlimited exercise".
> i can see some - both punters and escorts - taking
> advantage of it.
> it's not social distancing though of course, but
> then no way the police can stop this. how woud
> they know who is visiting a relative or friends or
> not?
> i'm not advocating law-breaking by the way.


Its always been legal to take long bouts of exercise. In the law there was no mention of frequency or length of exercise periods. It was shite that was made up.

The Netherlands Government explicitly covers sex establishments in its planning. They will allow allow sex establishments to reopen on 1 September if the virus, remains under control:

[www.government.nl]

I bet, as with everything else about this crisis, the UK government's response is late. I wonder who will be the first journalist to ask a question about UK's position on this at the daily press conference. Or maybe a question in the House, perhaps at PMQs, would be more appropriate.

Lots of ladies I have seen in reputable establishments are ,and have been,offering services as indi's for at least a month now.If I was single would be sorely tempted but will just wait it out .

Looked on AW yesterday.
Most of the old faces are back and paying for 'available today' and phone no.
girls dont pay for those features with no income
so i would say its back up and runnng
Thats in t'grim north. dunno about dahn sarf.

Coventrypunter Wrote:
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> Looked on AW yesterday.
> Most of the old faces are back and paying for
> 'available today' and phone no.
> girls dont pay for those features with no income
> so i would say its back up and runnng
> Thats in t'grim north. dunno about dahn sarf.

In your old escorting stamping ground, there's less sign of a return in terms of quantity. Also there is apparently a pathetic game people play, ringing up to book escorts 'available today' and just not turning up. I am not advocating escorts or punters should be active now but some of the former have no choice.

Coventrypunter Wrote:
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> Looked on AW yesterday.
> Most of the old faces are back and paying for
> 'available today' and phone no.
> girls dont pay for those features with no income
> so i would say its back up and runnng
> Thats in t'grim north. dunno about dahn sarf.


Lots of activity in London & MK.

well lockdown rules ahve been relaxed and people who are single can meet other households.
a small avenue, if there was ever one.

Hi Mavro

Yes its a very confusing and difficult time.

Due to the nature of the industry and close contact, would imagine would be after Hairdressers and things.

Hope your all keeping safe and well.

Big Clap for the NHS

Hamiltons x

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I think it'll be a while yet; maybe once the strip clubs (or sexual entertainment venues, as the government like to call them) can reopen along with services like massages, spas and nail bars, it will be the right time to go whoring again without fear of arrest (that is not to say it will be safe!!!).

If I had to guess, I would say it will not be until the autumn at the earliest. There will obviously not be an announcement about brothels per se but I think once personal contact without social distancing and PPE is generally allowed then we are good to go officially.

Of course, unofficially is another matter completely!

the indies must be cleaning up while the parlours are shut.

I had a look at some parlour sites. cosmopolitan Spa in Bradford and Hollywood in Leicester were down. Suspect they could not pay the hosting fees. Maybe they wont reopen.

The rate of new infections was coming down, all be it slowly, and I was thinking punting may be on the cards soon. Unfortunately, in England, the rate has started to go back up, which is dissapointing ( covid.joinzoe.com ). Although the risk of infection is now lower than it was at the time lockdown was introduced, I still don't see safe punting any time soon. On the brighter side, research on a jab is looking positive. I will be first in line to get one for several reasons, including punting.

Scotland, NI and Wales appear to be doing better than England so maybe they will be the first places to open up.

If you want to do something positive to help fight the virus, join the Kings College study ( covid.joinzoe.com ). This is a very simple app where you report your condition every day and they use this to estimate the rate of new infections. It is independent of the government's failed track 'n' trace (World Beating for being incompetent) process and is able to respond much quicker to changing circumstances.

Additionally, continue to social distance, wash hands often and wear a face mask inside public places - the sooner we stop the spread of CV-19 the sooner we can get back to a normal life.

COVID is effectively over. Deaths are just a few now.
The reason they keep finding infections is they are doing more and more tests. Do lots of tests and, surprise, surprise, you find infections.
Most are of people who are 100 asymptiomatic

Parlours are opening up, loads of girls on AW

We are not all going to die

Get out there and shag some hookers, guys.

<<COVID is effectively over. Deaths are just a few now. >> sadly not true. Deaths are still running at hundreds per week, which is lower than it was but still too high for my liking. CV-19 remains a highly infectious virus that, even if it does not kill you, can leave you with long-term health issues.

We all want CV-19 to end quickly and the only thing we can do is to contiue to follow the rules, no matter how bad the government's communications efforts are. So, for now, it's no punting for me.