Bareback

I have been hesitating more than is usual about making the phone call to an escort new to me.

I kept visiting her AW profile over several weeks and her good feedback increased regularly.

One doubt had been that she listed unprotected sex and I reckoned that was an error as it does look an odd thing that both bb and unprotected sex are listed and I thought it likely various escorts missed this second ref to it so I thought she would appreciate being told but just recently it disappeared so I reckoned someone had got there before me.

So she didn't list bareback but just now for some reason I looked at her newest feedback and fairly unusually for me I looked at the fb on her most recent punter.

His most recent punt before this one was a barebacker who said she was clean because she had a test every four weeks.

I had read in the past that some escorts trace back all their prospective punters to check for past bb meets and that seemed admirable but very time consuming.

I for sure am going to do a bit more checking now but still stuck with the knowledge that it is by no means anything like a fully effective process.

I checked how many bb escorts.

Of those who logged on in the last week, 3257 list bareback (lots may be cam etc not meetings) and 2694 list unprotected sex.

This is a very informative post. Thanks Charlieton. I am always amazed to see that some guys will even think about bareback sex with a stranger. The risk of infection must be enormous.

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AW (not to be confused with the late Mr Wainwright of fell walking fame).

I suspect many, especially foreign, escorts dont understand what Unprotected sex and bareback really mean. I think many think it means OWO.

Clearly there is an issue as 'bareback' and 'unprotected sex' mean the same thing to me so how come the 2 numbers Charlieian quote are not the same.

Exclude romanian entries and there are actually very few BBers.

why AW dont have 1 category 'penetration(unprotected) for this beats me.

I agree the one entry would be better although I suggest 'penetration (unprotected/bareback/without condom)' may help make even clearer and underline its significance.

If you're worried, and I would be, wouldn't the best policy be to forget this on

I'm not paranoid but I like to reduce any risks.

rationalman Wrote:
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> If you're worried, and I would be, wouldn't the
> best policy be to forget this on
>
> I'm not paranoid but I like to reduce any risks.

Did you mean 'forget this one'?

Well yes I could but it was a wider point I was making.

Also, she has a companion escort who is intriguing, new, does not have the bareback/unprotected sex issue and who might be interesting to see and to raise the issue with.

I am torn as it is surely a good rule of thumb in this business to react to doubts in one's mind by looking elsewhere.

Would it not make sense to insist on using a condom? It wouldn't be mandatory surely?

COLL Wrote:
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> Would it not make sense to insist on using a
> condom? It wouldn't be mandatory surely?

Oh i understand few bb escorts are likely to insist on it but that is surely not the point.

Most punters (by a huge majority) do not want to have any chance of running the risk of infection from sexual contact with an escort who barebacks.

In all the big escorting forums that is trumpeted as a no no however much the punters fancy the escort and wearing a condom for their meet is not considered a satisfactory way to eliminate risks.

The fact that any escort may bareback and not advertise it ('your third visit, love, oh let's do it like a real couple then ...') or aspects of her private sex life would scare most punters if they knew the half of it is where many/most punters draw a line because they reckon if they can't find out about it they then they either run the unknown risk or give up punting and by definition active punters haven't given up.

I can't quote any chapter and verse on the risks because I have no medical knowledge but everything in my bones tells me not to go near a bb escort and from my active escort-meeting lifestyle I have clearly decided what I am willing to do.

CovPunter's point about Romanian escorts is interesting although I am less sure about lack of understanding of terms as surely most profiles are written and lists compiled by a Sergei or someone who will have a better command of English than many newly-arrived escorts. In any case, it takes a lot to prompt me to book a Rom, partly because so often there is no or no convincing feedback or name-change issues in feedback if it does exist in quantity

There's an alarming amount of bb advertised on AW, and I read on another forum that a lot of AW reverse bookings ask for it (posted by several working ladies). You just have to do your best to avoid it, but it will never be 100%

charlieton Wrote:
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> COLL Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Would it not make sense to insist on using a
> > condom? It wouldn't be mandatory surely?
>
> Oh i understand few bb escorts are likely to
> insist on it but that is surely not the point.
>
> Most punters (by a huge majority) do not want to
> have any chance of running the risk of infection
> from sexual contact with an escort who barebacks.
>
> In all the big escorting forums that is trumpeted
> as a no no however much the punters fancy the
> escort and wearing a condom for their meet is not
> considered a satisfactory way to eliminate risks.
>
> The fact that any escort may bareback and not
> advertise it ('your third visit, love, oh let's do
> it like a real couple then ...') or aspects of her
> private sex life would scare most punters if they
> knew the half of it is where many/most punters
> draw a line because they reckon if they can't find
> out about it they then they either run the unknown
> risk or give up punting and by definition active
> punters haven't given up.
>
> I can't quote any chapter and verse on the risks
> because I have no medical knowledge but everything
> in my bones tells me not to go near a bb escort
> and from my active escort-meeting lifestyle I have
> clearly decided what I am willing to do.
>
> CovPunter's point about Romanian escorts is
> interesting although I am less sure about lack of
> understanding of terms as surely most profiles are
> written and lists compiled by a Sergei or someone
> who will have a better command of English than
> many newly-arrived escorts. In any case, it takes
> a lot to prompt me to book a Rom, partly because
> so often there is no or no convincing feedback or
> name-change issues in feedback if it does exist in
> quantity

I definitely agree with the medical risks and wouldn't take any chances myself. I have noticed a few of the Romanian profiles mentioning bareback and those
seem to be the places where several girls use the same premises. There are, however, Romanian girls who work independently and are better educated albeit they are a minority.I notice the Romanian girls/Sergeis now try to disguise their identity by saying they are Italian or Latino.

Agreed, Coll (and as the top two reviewers on Punternet we must be right!).

And added to what you say, I am sure a lot of the Sergeis have the feedback system sussed with multiple ever-changing accounts.

Yes there are good escorts of every nationality and I had a long escort friendship with a beautiful and refined Romanian lady.

She seemed in charge of her own life but I also met a beautiful, petite young lady from the same country who worked on her own but who, when we got chatting, was very unhappy to be having to trudge round the country at someone else's whim and no doubt with scarcely any of the money staying with her.

charlieton Wrote:
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> Agreed, Coll (and as the top two reviewers on
> Punternet we must be right!).
>
> And added to what you say, I am sure a lot of the
> Sergeis have the feedback system sussed with
> multiple ever-changing accounts.
>
> Yes there are good escorts of every nationality
> and I had a long escort friendship with a
> beautiful and refined Romanian lady.
>
> She seemed in charge of her own life but I also
> met a beautiful, petite young lady from the same
> country who worked on her own but who, when we got
> chatting, was very unhappy to be having to trudge
> round the country at someone else's whim and no
> doubt with scarcely any of the money staying with
> her.

I've always shied away from seeing the same girl too often. I recently saw a Romanian girl who suggested I returned, but even though she was intelligent and
very friendly I declined. I have, however, recently seen a couple of other girls for the second time. For me it is the thrill of seeing someone new. I tend to restrict the conversations to a superficial level. I do agree that safety and confidentiality are both very important.

We differ in our approach, then, Coll, and nothing wrong in that.

I don't recommend it to anyone purely because it is none of my business, but I have had many long relationships with escorts over the decades that have become friendships with trust on both sides whether from indie or parlour sources.

But I also enjoy the experience of seeing new escorts and being able to follow my changing whims (such as a recent one for seeing older women) or just someone of any type who simply caught my attention.

charlieton Wrote:
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> We differ in our approach, then, Coll, and nothing
> wrong in that.
>
> I don't recommend it to anyone purely because it
> is none of my business, but I have had many long
> relationships with escorts over the decades that
> have become friendships with trust on both sides
> whether from indie or parlour sources.
>
> But I also enjoy the experience of seeing new
> escorts and being able to follow my changing whims
> (such as a recent one for seeing older women) or
> just someone of any type who simply caught my
> attention.

Mix and match.

yes there is the thrill of seeing a new one

but the level of experience in seeing a reg is special too.

anyway, you never know if your new one may become a new reg!

charlieton Wrote:
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> I have been hesitating more than is usual about
> making the phone call to an escort new to me.
>
> I kept visiting her AW profile over several weeks
> and her good feedback increased regularly.
>
> One doubt had been that she listed unprotected sex
> and I reckoned that was an error as it does look
> an odd thing that both bb and unprotected sex are
> listed and I thought it likely various escorts
> missed this second ref to it so I thought she
> would appreciate being told but just recently it
> disappeared so I reckoned someone had got there
> before me.
>
> So she didn't list bareback but just now for some
> reason I looked at her newest feedback and fairly
> unusually for me I looked at the fb on her most
> recent punter.
>
> His most recent punt before this one was a
> barebacker who said she was clean because she had
> a test every four weeks.
>
> I had read in the past that some escorts trace
> back all their prospective punters to check for
> past bb meets and that seemed admirable but very
> time consuming.
>
> I for sure am going to do a bit more checking now
> but still stuck with the knowledge that it is by
> no means anything like a fully effective process.
>
> I checked how many bb escorts.
>
> Of those who logged on in the last week, 3257 list
> bareback (lots may be cam etc not meetings) and
> 2694 list unprotected sex.





Well done for getting those stats charlieton. What concerns me more, is that some SPs don't actually list BB as one of their services on their AW profiles, but some of them still actually do it.

The Jester Wrote:

> Well done for getting those stats charlieton. What
> concerns me more, is that some SPs don't actually
> list BB as one of their services on their AW
> profiles, but some of them still actually do it.

I think i referred to that obliquely (in that some punters choose and all of us have no option if we want to punt) that if you can't know what an escort does then you either punt nonetheless or quit.

The Jester Wrote:
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What
> concerns me more, is that some SPs don't actually
> list BB as one of their services on their AW
> profiles, but some of them still actually do it.


Haven't we all been offered bareback at some point in our punting. I have and I do my best to avoid escorts who offer it either openly or not. I think it's like charlieton says you either accept it goes on or stop punting. It's just one more risk.

I have done BB with WGs in the distant past, when I gave way to temptation in moments of madness, but not any more. There is of course the worry about AIDS. This still cannot be cured, and the treatment involves being on powerful drugs, with dreadful side effects, for the rest of your life and the difficulty of explaining yourself to future girlfriends and family etc.

Most other STDs can be cured but the treatment is also aggressive. Even if you are lucky enough to avoid STDs you should still go to a clinic to get yourself tested. This is a hassle and involves blood tests etc and the worry, while you wait for results.

Sex with a condom is not as good as BB (IMHO) but I feel more relaxed wearing one and so enjoy the session more. I know condoms are not 100% safe, but they are a damn site safer than BB.

I've been seeing a WG for a while and, she says she offers bb on her site, when I asked her about it the first time I saw her she said, her profile is managed by someone else and was not accurate so, she didn't offer it.

After I'd seen her about 10 times, my last visit went as usual, I always do anal near then end of the punt because that's where I like to finish, anyway, she turned around and stuck her bum up in the air, she then asked me if I wanted it bareback, she said "as it was me" she would let me do it! I was a bit surprised but, being weak willed and seeing her arse in front of me, I couldn't resist, I had the most amazing arse fuck with her and shot my load deep in her arse. Of course, later on I thought, shit I shouldn't have done that. Does she do bb when it suits her and, how many blokes has she done that with? To say I was worried is an understatement, luckily all is fine, I don't know why she offered it that time, just shows, some do it when they feel like it.

"she turned around and stuck her bum up in the air, she then asked me if I wanted it bareback, she said "as it was me" she would let me do it! I was a bit surprised but, being weak willed and seeing her arse in front of me, I couldn't resist"

There is another site where you would get crucified, one for doing that and more so two for not telling who it is so others can avoid a practice they abhor.

Like Dave451, I made a mistake, I won't be doing it again, the WG in question seems to have pulled her profile anyway. There are people who would judge you too if they knew you were seeing WGs, nice to be holier than thou.

Rob1n1984 Wrote:
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> Like Dave451, I made a mistake, I won't be doing
> it again, the WG in question seems to have pulled
> her profile anyway. There are people who would
> judge you too if they knew you were seeing WGs,
> nice to be holier than thou.

I think everyone on every punting forum would say there is a bit of a difference, as you would find out if you told the same story on UKP, for example, or asked any escort if they would be happy to see you given your posting, many of whom on AW go to the trouble of checking every potential customer possible to see if they have previously booked with barebackers.

UKP has begun compiling lists of barebacking escorts to help punters avoid them even though the later punters would have insisted on protection.

Try telling those posters contributing to the data collection they are 'holier than thou', For starters, you would be banned.

I did BB a month ago with an escort off AW she instigated it,it was the first time i had done anything like this with an escort she put oil on her ass cheeks and said she wanted to give me an ass wank the next thing i know i am pounding her ass and then her pussy BB it was a huge mistake i went to my local sexual health clinic the next day had a blood test and i had to take tablets for four weeks and also a urine sample the following week i am all clear now.

Thank god for that !

Since this booking i have removed myself from AW not just for this reason AW is complete garbage in my area.I have noticed lots of hot girls in the london region no good to me its to far away

I presume punters in Yorkshire have similar problems has me i have seen a pile of negative reviews for that area.

But back to BB with an escort i would not advise it its a dangerous game to play with your health

Punting will always be a risky business, as nobody really knows for certain who barebacks, and who doesn't. We can only ever protect ourselves the best that we can. As I mentioned further back, there are some WGs that will still bareback even though they don't have barebacking on their AW enjoys list.
It's a real minefield, as has been said, some WGs (particularly the foreign WGs) list BB, and, or Unprotected sex, and they don't have a scooby that it's on their enjoys list, because Sergei has written their profiles for them.
We can't just point the finger at the WGs in all honesty, as there are some punters that specifically request BB from the WGs. As I say, it really is a minefield, so if we still want to carry on punting responsibly, and as safe as we can possibly be, the only thing that we as punters can do, and that is to cover up, even then there'll still never be an iron clad guarantee that we'll stay safe.

The Jester Wrote:
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> Punting will always be a risky business, as nobody
> really knows for certain who barebacks, and who
> doesn't. We can only ever protect ourselves the
> best that we can. As I mentioned further back,
> there are some WGs that will still bareback even
> though they don't have barebacking on their AW
> enjoys list.
> It's a real minefield, as has been said, some WGs
> (particularly the foreign WGs) list BB, and, or
> Unprotected sex, and they don't have a scooby that
> it's on their enjoys list, because Sergei has
> written their profiles for them.
> We can't just point the finger at the WGs in all
> honesty, as there are some punters that
> specifically request BB from the WGs. As I say, it
> really is a minefield, so if we still want to
> carry on punting responsibly, and as safe as we
> can possibly be, the only thing that we as punters
> can do, and that is to cover up, even then
> there'll still never be an iron clad guarantee
> that we'll stay safe.


so in a nutshell, you stay safe and just bang the wife

or take a calculated risk and punt. You mitigate the risk and wear a condom for peneration. or be a bit safer and use one for oral.

but is punting any more unsafe than banging sluts on a friday night, probably bareback?

Coventrypunter Wrote:
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> The Jester Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Punting will always be a risky business, as
> nobody
> > really knows for certain who barebacks, and who
> > doesn't. We can only ever protect ourselves the
> > best that we can. As I mentioned further back,
> > there are some WGs that will still bareback
> even
> > though they don't have barebacking on their AW
> > enjoys list.
> > It's a real minefield, as has been said, some
> WGs
> > (particularly the foreign WGs) list BB, and, or
> > Unprotected sex, and they don't have a scooby
> that
> > it's on their enjoys list, because Sergei has
> > written their profiles for them.
> > We can't just point the finger at the WGs in
> all
> > honesty, as there are some punters that
> > specifically request BB from the WGs. As I say,
> it
> > really is a minefield, so if we still want to
> > carry on punting responsibly, and as safe as we
> > can possibly be, the only thing that we as
> punters
> > can do, and that is to cover up, even then
> > there'll still never be an iron clad guarantee
> > that we'll stay safe.
>
>
> so in a nutshell, you stay safe and just bang the
> wife
>
> or take a calculated risk and punt. You mitigate
> the risk and wear a condom for peneration. or be a
> bit safer and use one for oral.
>
> but is punting any more unsafe than banging sluts
> on a friday night, probably bareback?








In a nutshell what you say is right IMO Coventrypunter . We pays our money, and we takes our chances at the end of the day. Every punter and WG should be aware of the potential risks, so we can only do our best to keep ourselves as safe as possible. But again, at the end of the day, each to their own for both punters and WGs alike.

I've fucked a WG who openly advertised BB on her profile. A stunning 19 yr old romanian who was in a travellodge in the small back water I lived in. I wanted a punt, and she was the only girl within 30 miles. I Punted her twice, with condom on, and no problems at all. I take the attitude which probably has been said before that actually every girl has or does bareback in their lives and if you discount all girls who might have BB'ed, you're not going to be doing much in the way of fucking.

If i had never have barebacked i would not have any kids lol

I would not advise barebacking,but those punters and escorts who choose to do it,just let them get on with it.I aint so harsh to judge them.I do have some sympathy with barebackers they are treated like lepers in some quarters.Some guys like to DFK or normal kissing for all they know the escort could have been rimming the previous punters ass before they got there.You pay your money,you take your chances.

I feel like i am treated like a leper at times because i smoke,It does not matter what people say what is safe and unsafe with certain things in life.I could just as well get run over by some pissed up motorist tomorrow.

Freddie Mercury was gay,god knows how many guys he barebacked and he died of aids.In the music history books he his down as one of the most respected music artists ever.There is and was never any disgust at him for barebacking when aids was at its peak.

Strange world we live in.

He is one of the greatest singers of all time,probably the greatest live singer ever.

I'd love to bareback. Bareback was the norm in my younger days. With my wife bareback was the only way.

But I'm not ever going to risk that now with escorts. The world had changed.

It's all a compromise though. I'll risk OWO as without that I'd not bother punting.

Wouldn't we all love to bareback.I think OWO with escorts is ok,the chances of catching anything is very low risk.When i visited escorts i prefered OWO but if the escort did not like doing it i was ok with OW.We punters have our favourite things to do with escorts,i liked to give escorts oral,normal kissing (i am not a fan of french kissing),foot fetish,smoking fetish and great sex in multiple pisitions (that goes without saying).

I was not into rimming,fisting,watersports,scat (hardsports) stuff that !